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New Mac Pro
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2x 10GBE actually. Plus four 40Gbps Thunderbolt ports.
I find that link aggregation is pretty much useless and/or unstable. Not sure what good two 10gbe ports do. But seeing 10gbe becoming part of the standard spec is a really welcomed improvement. Not the least because it will drive prices down.
> Not sure what good two 10gbe ports do.
1 x 10 GbE for your regular Ethernet/IP traffic and 1 x 10 GbE for your storage traffic. You do run your network storage over a physically separate network, right?
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#463Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sure, this is not a mass-market product. But I'm actually glad that the concept of a high-end workstation is making a comeback. Not everything needs to be dirt-cheap, we should not necessarily feel entitled to every product on the market being in our price range, and I'd love to see some competition on the high-end.
Yes, it is great that they have a real high-end product. But in the past, at least the starting price of the Mac Pro was in enthusiast-range. There should be a product between the Mini and the Pro which supports a desktop graphics card.
On that, we agree. I write code, and I used to own a 2008 "cheese-grater" Mac Pro. That one was affordable enough for developers, came with a low-end video card (which was fine!), supported lots of RAM, and provided a rock-stable machine for development. The new one, not so much, it seems to be mostly good for specialized applications (like video editing).
But on the other hand, I don't think I'd want to buy this Mac Pro anyway, because of the display situation. There are no good external 5K displays, and most of the PC world is stuck in 1080p (or thereabouts) because of gamers. So, if I am to get a computer with a fast CPU and a good 5K display, I will be well served by the iMac or iMac Pro.
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#464Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not to come out over-defensive, but your base configuration (I guess?) doesn't include a GPU, I bet your caches are significantly smaller, and also no ECC ram. I also bet your storage is considerably slower.
ECC ram can actually be a negative in certain use cases. Recording studios don't like the extra latency the ECC adds for MIDI for example.
ECC does not add latency and MIDI isn’t even sensitive to additional clock cycles in buffered memory (we are talking Nanoseconds here)
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#465Earlier quoted context omitted.
The new Mac Pro, like Mac Pros always have been, is for music/TV studios and design agencies that bill their time starting at $500/hour. It's really not for individuals, and that's ok. Apple made a computer "just for the pros", like HN begs for in every butterfly keyboard thread. I'm thrilled about it even though I know I'll never touch one. It's for people who don't know what a CPU core is but know how to produce a…
I disagree that it’s always been this way. I bought a G4 tower when I was in college and it sure as heck wasn’t $6,000 back then. This is the only traditional desktop computer that Apple sells, so it’s disappointing that everybody outside of movie studio employees has to fall back to an iMac or a Windows/Linux machine.
> I bought a G4 tower when I was in college and it sure as heck wasn’t $6,000 back then.
No, but an entry-level SGI Octane was like TWENTY GRAND back then. The Mac Pro is what occupies that space today.
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#466Earlier quoted context omitted.
There's no professional that would buy a machine with 256GB of storage. Let's call it what it is - a throwaway configuration meant to hit a price point.
My OS drive is for the OS and applications I don't care about. 128GB is plenty tbh. I really can't imagine this world where "professionals" keep everything on a single drive and are primarily concerned with capacity of that single drive. My gaming computer has three SSDs, including a 120GB for the OS, and a pair of magnetic drives.
My 2011 Air has 128gb and I'm always having to clean it up to install updates. Yes, it has years of cruft, and some userland stuff, but it's really just a netbook for me, so I don't keep much on it.
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#467The most interesting and least elaborated detail is the Afterburner FPGA. I’m curious what the programming model is (Metal compute kernels?) and how it compares to GPU.
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#468Earlier quoted context omitted.
The first step up from 256GB is 2x512GB, and there's configurations up to 2x2TB. My guess is that the 256GB configuration is meant for users that work primarily with data that's kept on network storage.
There's no professional that would buy a machine with 256GB of storage. Let's call it what it is - a throwaway configuration meant to hit a price point.
It's probably there for people who are going to swap out for their own SSD anyways.
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#469I know being expandable is important here but I am stunned by the fact that an iMac Pro actually comes with better SSD and Video Card for less money and you get a screen to boot! 256g SSD is shameful, I don't care what they were thinking. No Nvidia support mentioned so I know a few that just wrote it off for that oversight alone. They will probably hold out just to be sure but that was the hope for them and others. W…
> 580X is old, 2017 old Is it? This site claims it came out in March 2019 but I definitely can't keep the various graphics card lines separate in my head: https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-pro-580x.c3398
The Radeon Pro 580x is the same hardware as the Radeon RX 580, except the Pro version is underclocked
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#470You almost need a dedicated 15-amp circuit to run this or have 20-amp circuits so you have some overhead for the rest of your electronics (or a cubicle neighbor). The power supply draws 1280W. A 15-amp circuit provides 1800W, but you are really supposed to keep steady loads at no more than 80%, which is 1440W. I bet some circuit breakers are going to start tripping when these go live.
Doesn't the power supply draw that at max load, rather than consistently? (Honest question)
Correct, that's just the max draw it can handle. Most configurations will probably draw no more than ~500-600w.