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Re: New Mac Pro

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Post by chronogram »

busymom0 wrote: post #410
secfirstmd wrote: post #409

Am I the only person more concerned about the new "Find my Mac Feature"? Call me a cynic but this feels like it has all kinds of privacy problems. "The new Find My app combines Find My iPhone and Find My Friends into a single, easy-to-use app on Mac, iPadOS, and iOS devices. Find My can help you locate a missing Mac — even if it’s offline and sleeping — by sending out Bluetooth signals that can be detected by Apple d…

> It’s all anonymous and end-to-end encrypted so no one, including Apple, knows the identity of any reporting device. That should answer privacy concerns. They probably have a disable feature too.

And should be a tick during the initial setup, considering find my has always done that

Re: New Mac Pro

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Post by chaostheory »

jrochkind1 wrote: post #210
aczerepinski wrote: post #174

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I disagree that it’s always been this way. I bought a G4 tower when I was in college and it sure as heck wasn’t $6,000 back then. This is the only traditional desktop computer that Apple sells, so it’s disappointing that everybody outside of movie studio employees has to fall back to an iMac or a Windows/Linux machine.

Just as I'm curious what prices really were. don't know exactly what Gr tower line you are talking about, but according to https://www.macstories.net/mac/the-power-mac-g4-line/ , the first reasonable powermac G4 was summer 2000, and > Prices ranged from $1,599 to $3,499, According to one online inflation calculator, $1599 in 2000 dollars is $2,372.95 in 2019 dollars. and $3499 is $5,192.58. So, I guess, yeah.I do rec…

Is the crazy price due mainly to the all aluminum enclosure? I don’t remember the cheese grater models being priced this high accounting for inflation.

Accounting for inflation, the old 2012 cheese grater models started at $3150 in 2019 dollars. The older models were $1000 cheaper

Re: New Mac Pro

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Post by busymom0 »

Shivetya wrote: post #23

I know being expandable is important here but I am stunned by the fact that an iMac Pro actually comes with better SSD and Video Card for less money and you get a screen to boot! 256g SSD is shameful, I don't care what they were thinking. No Nvidia support mentioned so I know a few that just wrote it off for that oversight alone. They will probably hold out just to be sure but that was the hope for them and others. W…

Honestly, I think the SSD size is okay. 512 would have been better but considering this is fully expandable, it's much cheaper to manually upgrade the SSD to whatever you like with after market SSDs anyway vs Apple charging more for it. Also the people who are looking to buy such a beast aren't going to be price sensitive. So this lets them price it at $5k.

Re: New Mac Pro

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Post by macNchz »

seltzered_ wrote: post #379
jrochkind1 wrote: post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just as I'm curious what prices really were. don't know exactly what Gr tower line you are talking about, but according to https://www.macstories.net/mac/the-power-mac-g4-line/ , the first reasonable powermac G4 was summer 2000, and > Prices ranged from $1,599 to $3,499, According to one online inflation calculator, $1599 in 2000 dollars is $2,372.95 in 2019 dollars. and $3499 is $5,192.58. So, I guess, yeah.I do rec…

They were even higher in the early 90's. In 1993 the Power Macintosh 8100 (one of the first ppc computers) started at $4200 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_Macintosh_8100

I found the invoice a while ago for the professional desktop publishing setup that my parents bought in 1993...a Quadra 800 mac, upgraded video memory, a flatbed scanner, b&w laser printer, a 20" monitor, a 14400 modem and some kind of fancy magneto optical drive or something for FedExing large files. Total price was $13k at the time.

Re: New Mac Pro

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Post by floatboth »

kllrnohj wrote: post #346
internobody wrote: post #35

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3D modelers want NVIDIA cards, not Radeon, as NVIDIA supports CUDA. This has been a longstanding issue with 3D folks; the old trashcan Mac Pro had NVIDIA GPUs even with otherwise-outdated internals. When rumblings came of new Mac Pros a few years ago there was excitement that they could get some fast machines again; alas this appears not to be the case.

Most major 3D modeling programs support OpenCL, as well, not just CUDA. In particularly any of them with MacOS ports are not CUDA-only (since, you know, MacOS hasn't supported CUDA-capable GPUs for many many years now), making the argument for CUDA specifically rather moot. In terms of just GPGPU performance Vega is pretty competitive against Nvidia. It's not nearly as one-sided as the gaming space is. That is, in fa…

Gaming space is not one-sided either, the original Vega delivers excellent 4K60 performance if you don't do stupid things like MSAA.

Re: New Mac Pro

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Post by Spivak »

chrisseaton wrote: post #382
rwmj wrote: post #277

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Bait and switch is a dark pattern, even if it's a common one.

It's a product with a price tag and spec sheet anyone can find. Can't really see how they can be any more transparent.

It's not a transparency issue, this dark pattern exists everywhere. You advertise "New X starting at $x" which is low enough to attract customers. But the thing you sell for $x is actually lacking in some small but important capacity making it unattractive for actual use. Then you sell an upgrade for the target price and customers are more willing to pay because it feels like they're paying a small premium for the thing they want.

It's a neat psychology trick. Customers are far more receptive to upsells when they're the one doing the upselling.

Re: New Mac Pro

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Post by nsxwolf »

aczerepinski wrote: post #174
PascLeRasc wrote: post #50

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The new Mac Pro, like Mac Pros always have been, is for music/TV studios and design agencies that bill their time starting at $500/hour. It's really not for individuals, and that's ok. Apple made a computer "just for the pros", like HN begs for in every butterfly keyboard thread. I'm thrilled about it even though I know I'll never touch one. It's for people who don't know what a CPU core is but know how to produce a…

I disagree that it’s always been this way. I bought a G4 tower when I was in college and it sure as heck wasn’t $6,000 back then. This is the only traditional desktop computer that Apple sells, so it’s disappointing that everybody outside of movie studio employees has to fall back to an iMac or a Windows/Linux machine.

I paid under 3k for my PowerMac G5, ~3300 for the original Mac Pro after that, then 3k for my current 4 core 2013 Mac Pro. This is definitely a course change on the entry level pricing.

Re: New Mac Pro

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Post by Redoubts »

_bxg1 wrote: post #157
Shivetya wrote: post #23

I know being expandable is important here but I am stunned by the fact that an iMac Pro actually comes with better SSD and Video Card for less money and you get a screen to boot! 256g SSD is shameful, I don't care what they were thinking. No Nvidia support mentioned so I know a few that just wrote it off for that oversight alone. They will probably hold out just to be sure but that was the hope for them and others. W…

The branding distinction between "iMac Pro" and "Mac Pro" is just incredibly confusing.

I think the Macbook and Macbook Air is much worse, but I suppose it's unclear if both are currently active lines.
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