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A man who ran out of air at the bottom of the ocean

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Re: A man who ran out of air at the bottom of the ocean

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150lb? That always strikes me as distinctly American, as opposed to 10st 10lb.

I'm so glad America got away before y'all went stone-crazy. Redefining the hundredweight, seriously?

Hey, for a '1,000 pennyer' I'll advocate for your pound-as-largest-unit madness.

Re: A man who ran out of air at the bottom of the ocean

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post #161

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I'm so glad America got away before y'all went stone-crazy. Redefining the hundredweight, seriously?

Hey, for a '1,000 pennyer' I'll advocate for your pound-as-largest-unit madness.

You had options! The London stone for wool was 12.5 lbs, which would give you the same 8 stone to the hundredweight without redefining a hundredweight as 112 lbs.

Or if you wanted to go the other way -- there were plenty of other definitions of the stone in use at the time, after all -- you could have gone with 16 pounds, to maintain parity with the dram and the ounce. Y'all still likely would have screwed up the hundredweight, as 128lb, but you might have at least fixed things by making the ton 16 hundredweight/2048 lb, which would at least have been some lovely binary fractions.

But 14 pounds? That's just madness.

Re: A man who ran out of air at the bottom of the ocean

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post #83

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> So if you're claiming that cryonics has "a snowball's chance in hell" of working, then I presume that either you are (1) ignorant of the science, or (2) making some sort of statement about long-term storage prospects or the credibility of the organizations involved. I'm signed up to be a cryonics patient when I die, but yeah, the chances are pretty much nil. Personally, I'll take a slightly diminished bank account…

What I don't understand about this logic is, how do you have any confidence that if by some miracle you were brought back to conscious life again, your life wouldn't be an absolute living hell (organ damage, paralysis, etc.)? Like even if you had infinite money and resources to spend on whatever you wanted, would that risk be sitll worth it to you?

There's nothing new about all this...

Tutankhaman will tell you what to expect when you use cutting-edge technology and preservation techniques in the hopes of some future civilization reviving you.... you'll end up under glass in a Museum. Hell, nobody even TRIED to revive King Tut... you think they'll put much effort into a bunch of anti-freeze saturated popsicles? Seriously doubt it.

Re: A man who ran out of air at the bottom of the ocean

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Main article aside, I have to take the article to task for the section where they talk about an airplane and the oxygen masks that deploy when the aircraft depressurises and the passengers find it "hard to breathe". Having gone through a depressurisation chamber as part of my flight training, at 35,000 feet (the normal cruising altitude for most passenger aircraft), it isn't actually hard to breathe. In fact, it feel…

> so that we can detect the symptoms of hypoxia particular to our own bodies Destin of SmarterEveryDay (with astronaut Don Pettit) recorded his experience with that training, which included a demonstration of the effects of hypoxia on his decision making ability. He doesn't notice the rapidly increasing symptoms: >> [Destin fails child's shape toy test, saying the cross was a square] "Alright you're starting to have…

I watched this a few months ago for the first time - it blew my mind. Made it completely clear why you're instructed to put your mask on first before helping others.

Re: A man who ran out of air at the bottom of the ocean

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post #157

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How would that work? Future technology, no matter how advanced, would still require the information in your brain to simulate you. The point of cronics is to preserve that information.

But currently we don't know what "information in your brain" would be required, so it's a huge leap of faith to suppose that cryonics is successfully preserving it. (That's supposing "information in your brain" would even be sufficient by itself. Another leap of faith.)

The connectome. Your identity is encoded in the neural network of your brain, which is preserved in vitrification. I don’t know why this is controversial.

Re: A man who ran out of air at the bottom of the ocean

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You’re assuming magic.

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

But even the most advanced technology can’t accomplish magic. It still exists in the real world and is subject to physical law, such as the laws of statistical mechanics and information loss.

Re: A man who ran out of air at the bottom of the ocean

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I feel like you could make 6 minutes of air last an hour or more if you breathed really slowly (like one breath every 30-60+ seconds). Maybe I'm misunderstanding the device he had, or maybe it already has that assumption built in, or maybe he just wasn't quite that efficient but that is part of why he was blacked out but not dead when his friends pulled him up.

Re: A man who ran out of air at the bottom of the ocean

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"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

But even the most advanced technology can’t accomplish magic. It still exists in the real world and is subject to physical law, such as the laws of statistical mechanics and information loss.

Splitting hairs on physics just means you're missing the point of Arthur C. Clarke's quote - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarke%27s_three_laws#Origins

Re: A man who ran out of air at the bottom of the ocean

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post #83

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> So if you're claiming that cryonics has "a snowball's chance in hell" of working, then I presume that either you are (1) ignorant of the science, or (2) making some sort of statement about long-term storage prospects or the credibility of the organizations involved. I'm signed up to be a cryonics patient when I die, but yeah, the chances are pretty much nil. Personally, I'll take a slightly diminished bank account…

What I don't understand about this logic is, how do you have any confidence that if by some miracle you were brought back to conscious life again, your life wouldn't be an absolute living hell (organ damage, paralysis, etc.)? Like even if you had infinite money and resources to spend on whatever you wanted, would that risk be sitll worth it to you?

If you look far enough in the future it is probably feasible to engineer organs in the long run, or who knows maybe full bodies?

Re: A man who ran out of air at the bottom of the ocean

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However, this won't bring you back, it will just bring back a clone that is exactly like you.

Of course it will bring me back. It's my consciousness, just sans the biological CPU.

If it were true then it means being you can be duplicated ad infinitum and therefore you have no personality on your own. I done think we have a good answer to that.
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