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Re: iPadOS

#151

Post by strmpnk » Mon, Jun 03, 2019, 9:08 PM UTC

wlesieutre wrote: post #136

uses wrote: post #109

As a web developer, what on earth does this mean? > desktop sites are now the default in Safari Surely it's not some kind of meddling with the device width to make responsive web design even more confusing. That would be very odd. My hope is that it's some kind of user agent manipulation that thwarts device sniffing so you don't see a mobile phone stylesheet or get redirected to a mobile site while using your iPad.

Yep, that's it. Even major websites have this problem, with YouTube being a particularly bad one. If you have an iPad handy try loading up YouTube, then do a long-press on the reload button and request desktop site. It's a much better experience. I don't have the betas, but I expect Apple is applying this automatically based on viewport size. Full screen Safari instance? Desktop page. Narrow viewport in split or slid…

"long-press on the reload button"

Wow. I've somehow missed this little gem. I usually requested the desktop site via the share sheet option but this is far nicer. Ditto for a quick way to disable content blockers. Thanks!

Re: iPadOS

#152

Post by billforsternz » Mon, Jun 03, 2019, 9:12 PM UTC

saidajigumi wrote: post #117

uses wrote: post #109

As a web developer, what on earth does this mean? > desktop sites are now the default in Safari Surely it's not some kind of meddling with the device width to make responsive web design even more confusing. That would be very odd. My hope is that it's some kind of user agent manipulation that thwarts device sniffing so you don't see a mobile phone stylesheet or get redirected to a mobile site while using your iPad.

Yes, this. This bridges some gaps for sites that are built as either mobile-specific (but not truly responsive), or as desktop-only. I would have thought that the whole device detection, mobile-specific thing would have died many years ago, but it is stubbornly persistent. True responsive sites have worked fine for ages, and should continue to do so. On the desktop-only site side, it looks like Apple has also done so…

What is your criteria for a "true responsive site" and can you point to a good resource describing implementation details? Asking for a friend :)

Re: iPadOS

#153

Post by reaperducer » Mon, Jun 03, 2019, 9:19 PM UTC

zmb_ wrote: post #126

sylens wrote: post #5

the multi-tasking/multi-window looks incredibly complicated, full of hidden gestures/commands that aren't really discoverable

The one multi-window functionality I need is the ability have the iPad in portrait mode and split the screen horizontally. That way I could have a book or movie on top and notes on the bottom. It seems that iPadOS still cannot do this very basic thing. It's frustrating beyond belief knowing that this device could be so much more useful with that tiny basic functionality that has existed in GUIs for decades. (And why…

And why on Earth does iOS allow me to split a portrait mode vertically, creating two thin strips that are seemingly useless for any work?

Depends on what work you're doing. I do it all the time. It's especially useful when you're writing something in Notes in one pane and referencing e-mail in another.

The bottom half of the screen is the keyboard space.

Re: iPadOS

#154

Post by wlesieutre » Mon, Jun 03, 2019, 9:21 PM UTC

strmpnk wrote: post #151

wlesieutre wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep, that's it. Even major websites have this problem, with YouTube being a particularly bad one. If you have an iPad handy try loading up YouTube, then do a long-press on the reload button and request desktop site. It's a much better experience. I don't have the betas, but I expect Apple is applying this automatically based on viewport size. Full screen Safari instance? Desktop page. Narrow viewport in split or slid…

"long-press on the reload button" Wow. I've somehow missed this little gem. I usually requested the desktop site via the share sheet option but this is far nicer. Ditto for a quick way to disable content blockers. Thanks!

The other Safari pro-tip: long press the new tab button to reopen recently closed tabs

Re: iPadOS

#155

Post by reaperducer » Mon, Jun 03, 2019, 9:23 PM UTC

McDev wrote: post #26

cpeterso wrote: post #13

Will iPadOS include a calculator app?

iPads still don't have a calculator app? I find that baffling.

iPads still don't have a calculator app? I find that baffling.

Also baffling: People who will spend $600 on an iPad, but not 99¢ on a calculator app.

I sometimes wonder if Apple intentionally leaves these gaps in the ecosystem (Weather, Stocks, etc...), hoping that the market will bring forth solutions. It doesn't seem to work all the time.

Re: iPadOS

#156

Post by reaperducer » Mon, Jun 03, 2019, 9:26 PM UTC

cpeterso wrote: post #13

Will iPadOS include a calculator app?

Can someone recommend a good programmer's calculator for the iPad?

If I'm going to buy a calculator app, I might as well get a good one.

Bonus if it can do time calculators. (I used to have a physical time calculator that could do 15 hours + 3 hours, 21 minutes = x minutes, and it was surprisingly useful=.)

Re: iPadOS

#157

Post by wyre » Mon, Jun 03, 2019, 9:29 PM UTC

wlesieutre wrote: post #154

strmpnk wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"long-press on the reload button" Wow. I've somehow missed this little gem. I usually requested the desktop site via the share sheet option but this is far nicer. Ditto for a quick way to disable content blockers. Thanks!

The other Safari pro-tip: long press the new tab button to reopen recently closed tabs

Im always fascinated by program shortcuts almost no one knows about. How did you learn about long pressing in safari?

Re: iPadOS

#158

Post by cbm-vic-20 » Mon, Jun 03, 2019, 9:29 PM UTC

McDev wrote: post #26

cpeterso wrote: post #13

Will iPadOS include a calculator app?

iPads still don't have a calculator app? I find that baffling.

But it does have a camera app! And nobody ever looked cool taking a picture with an iPad.

Re: iPadOS

#159

Post by kevin_thibedeau » Mon, Jun 03, 2019, 9:30 PM UTC

billforsternz wrote: post #152

saidajigumi wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, this. This bridges some gaps for sites that are built as either mobile-specific (but not truly responsive), or as desktop-only. I would have thought that the whole device detection, mobile-specific thing would have died many years ago, but it is stubbornly persistent. True responsive sites have worked fine for ages, and should continue to do so. On the desktop-only site side, it looks like Apple has also done so…

What is your criteria for a "true responsive site" and can you point to a good resource describing implementation details? Asking for a friend :)

Renders to a 640x480 CRT and 4K display without looking like crap on either.

Re: iPadOS

#160

Post by robenkleene » Mon, Jun 03, 2019, 9:33 PM UTC

fghtr wrote: post #52

So Apple goes the opposite way compared with Purism: making different OS for every device. What's the point?

An way to think about this is that iPadOS is now (presumably) a separate team at Apple. Each year a new version of iPadOS will come out and that team will need to have features for it.

When it was just one platform, it felt like iPad features only got implemented when the iOS team had some had spare time away from developing the clearly higher priority iPhone features.