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Re: New Mac Pro

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Post by sdan »

abakker wrote: post #151
sdan wrote: post #105

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I've heard that CUDA can help decrease render times on Adobe Premiere Pro and several other programs. I'm guessing that includes 3D modeling software like Fusion 360 or something to help with various molding and simulation features.

FWIW, I've done some pretty complex part simulations in F360, and it's not that slow, on my Vega MacBook pro 2018. But, if it is, Fusion has online-sim calculator or renderers that are pretty affordable.

Probably has to do with other software like Maya or other simulation like programs. In fact F360 worked flawlessly on my 2016 dual-core 2.0 ghz CPU with 8gm of RAM.

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Post by aantix »

jahnu wrote: post #240
lambdasquirrel wrote: post #223

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Everything about the base specs are just good enough. I’m not defending it per se, but if you spec’ed the machine for any given purpose, whether software dev, or rendering, it’d probably raise the cost by at least $1-2k, and then you’d have the “real” machine. So, the reason the price looks egregious is because most of it is just base cost. This is a computer made for the engineers who’ve already “made it,” who are m…

Who and/or how many engineers are making $500k a year!?

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Post by josteink »

threeseed wrote: post #170
aczerepinski wrote: post #60

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How many Hollywood media makers are there? As an Apple shareholder should I be excited to learn that they made a specialty computer for this demographic?

There are a lot of Youtube stars who would jump at a Mac Pro if it meant they can turn around videos quicker. Time is definitely money in their industry as well. Point is that "professional" is a lot broader than just a few big enterprises.

> Time is definitely money in their industry as well.

Paying $6k for what’s roughly $2k’s worth of regular consumer hardware is also money.

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Post by StillBored »

jandrese wrote: post #217
ptrott2017 wrote: post #141

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I used to develop professional 3D tools and CUDA is used to accellerate features in 3D software including: scene manipulation, simulation, real time rendering, ray tracing, rendering shader effects and video encoding etc.

Maybe Apple is trying to replace that with that weird accelerator card they mentioned? If anything is going to be orphaned fast it is that card.

I wonder if that card support metal2, which AFAIK is still the recommended compute (openCL/CUDA replacement) technology on macos?

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Post by reaperducer »

slantyyz wrote: post #165
reaperducer wrote: post #78

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It seems evident that Apple views the "pro" market as movie studios, large corporations, and media entities that need serious computing power. On HN "pro" is three guys at a co-working space using coupons to buy coffee. It's these people who will complain the loudest about the new Mac Pro.

>> It seems evident that Apple views the "pro" market as movie studios, large corporations, and media entities that need serious computing power. If Apple is going to price out people who had purchased Mac Pros in the past (the lowest point of entry for the new model is -double- the price of the lowest late 2013 model), I don't really have a problem with that group complaining about the price. For that particular gro…

the lowest point of entry for the new model is -double- the price of the lowest late 2013 model

2x the price for what multiple of performance? 5x? 10x? 100x?

Re: New Mac Pro

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Post by cobalt »

saagarjha wrote: post #246
altmind wrote: post #198

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$5000 for imac pro(+applecare)? that is bonkers. $6000 is even more crazy. You can get more storage, better gpu, more options for network for much less. And you wont need to deal with apple geniuses to fix the issues.

Those alternatives don’t run macOS.

out of the box maybe

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Post by ascii_only »

buckminster wrote: post #269
pfranz wrote: post #205

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To be clear, I'm not talking about this Mac Pro in particular, but things like the Boxx or Mac Pro. You would get something like this instead of consumer hardware because man hours cost real money. At a previous job they wanted a VR PC, so someone speced out a bunch of high end parts and a case with flashy lights. A couple days of my salary went to putting it all together. That was the first time I had to RMA a mothe…

There is a vast middle ground between build it yourself and buy it from Apple.

If you don't have to use MacOS. PC from large OEM will cost half.

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Post by shoo_pl »

What about Mac Mini + minimum viable ssd (256-512GB) + eGPU + decent SSD like Samsung T5 (budget) or X5 (high end) ?

After today's announcements this is what I am looking at. The only problem I see is that current eGPUs do not support the 5k thunderbolt monitor, with exception of Blackmagic (but like most of apple products those are crazy expensive and non-upgradeable).

Until that 5k monitor situation is solved, I am stuck with iMac. I tested various 4k monitors, and somehow I find the 5k Retina (1440p) to be sweet spot for daily usage & development.

Edit: Funny thing is, if you count the $$ for above set up, you will find out it costs as much - if not more - then similar 2019 iMac. So it probably does down the the question - do you really need that top-of-the-line GPU from AMD (which isn't that fast anyway)? It seems that buying iMac that you can still sell for 50% of original price after 2-3 years and simply getting new one with specs bumped might be the same result as being able to update your ram/gpu/ssd/monitor

Seems that iMac truly is the sweat spot for most "pros" that want a desktop.

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Post by alexis_fr »

saagarjha wrote: post #246
altmind wrote: post #198

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$5000 for imac pro(+applecare)? that is bonkers. $6000 is even more crazy. You can get more storage, better gpu, more options for network for much less. And you wont need to deal with apple geniuses to fix the issues.

Those alternatives don’t run macOS.

Yep. Ubuntu lost by several orders of magnitude. They lost me with Unity, which seemed like something overly fancy which wasn’t required. Had they gone for stability instead of UI, they mighy have kept the users and developed a more suitable alternative to macOS.

It really feels like a list battle. I’d pay $200 a year for an OS, especially an open-source one that doesn’t send my data to Amazon.

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