Is the apple marketing through the window of Poe’s law at this point? This page could easily have been a parody, complete with insane price.
New Mac Pro
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#282I know being expandable is important here but I am stunned by the fact that an iMac Pro actually comes with better SSD and Video Card for less money and you get a screen to boot! 256g SSD is shameful, I don't care what they were thinking. No Nvidia support mentioned so I know a few that just wrote it off for that oversight alone. They will probably hold out just to be sure but that was the hope for them and others. W…
Yeah the pricing for the base model is insane. You can get a more powerful PC with 4x the storage for half the price. And you're right about Nvidia. I also stream on Twitch, was hoping I might be able to get one of these to replace my current PC. Without Nvidia there's no way.
If you spec something with similar workstation grade hardware, you'll be in the same ballpark. Gaming PC hardware isn't comparable.
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#283As most of us here are with the developer hat. I think it's worth reminding that the target audience of those machines are Pro creatives. (those who didn't ditch Apple yet ;) ) It's also the second time I remember Apple revert a critical interface removal. (first one was FireWire from the first Unibody MacBook). Apple lost a lot users when they've ditched PCIe. you can buy those Thunderbolt-PCIe cages and have a lot…
This likely is a great machine for creative pros.
But as a developer, I wanted a desktop class CPU and just a separate monitor (tired of hearing my laptop fans all the time, and it not being expandable), so I can upgrade them independently.
So while developers are pros, we won't appreciate things like XDR because we don't need them, unlike movie studios and photographers. So a $5k monitor is overpriced for editing code. But I honestly would've shelled out even $2k for a good monitor. $5k is too much.
The computer seems like a better value if you know you'd keep it for 5-10 years.
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#284I was really hoping Apple would price the Mac Pro at a reasonable starting point, hopefully stymying the flow of developers from Apple hardware to alternatives. The features are obviously right for extreme creative pros, but I don't think any developer in their right mind should pay this much for such little hardware. I would have loved to have seen support for the LGA 1151 socket, off-the-shelf Nvidia GPUs, and user-replaceable RAM and storage.
My company offers a $2500 hardware budget, and I have a refresh coming up this fall. I already have a MacBook Pro, so I want to go with a desktop this time around. With that budget I could get a Mac Mini with an i7-8700, 32GB of RAM, and a 1TB SSD; or I could build a PC with an i9-9900K, 32GB of RAM, a 1TB SSD, and the same GPU as the Mac Pro _and still have $1000 left of my budget_.
Too bad that would only get me the Pro Display stand. That would have been a nice display to have.
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#285Really excited to see the future of this hardware even though I'm not the target demographic. The ability to swap out with newer PCIe components down the line will be nice and it appears Apple is likely using some sort of desktop socket, so mounts and adapters for customizing the CPU will be available from 3rd parties eventually. Hopefully Intel doesn't change the CPU socket out from underneath everyone too soon. I'm…
> I'm also curious if it will support PCIe Gen4 since Apple has obviously worked closely with AMD Probably not. In order to have PCIe 4 working, you have to have CPU support as well as mobo chipset support, neither is there in this machine.
So a really bad consumer grade performance machine, starting at $6k, and already obsolete.
Where do I sign up?
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2x 10GBE actually. Plus four 40Gbps Thunderbolt ports.
I find that link aggregation is pretty much useless and/or unstable. Not sure what good two 10gbe ports do. But seeing 10gbe becoming part of the standard spec is a really welcomed improvement. Not the least because it will drive prices down.
I'm curious what your experiences are here. With enterprise-level networking equipment and LACP (802.3ad), I've never run into any weird issues.
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#287That price is just absurd. I waited for Mac Pro announcement to decide whether I'll stay with Windows or jump to macOS. Macbooks are not for me, but I hoped for a remotely reasonable priced computer, something like $2000 with another $1000 to expand with more memory, etc. But $6000 for 8-core CPU, 256 GB SSD, GPU that is less powerful than my old $200 NVidia 1060? It's just laughable. Otherwise seems like a good mach…
Why is the iMac pro not what you want?
Glossy display.
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I've heard that CUDA can help decrease render times on Adobe Premiere Pro and several other programs. I'm guessing that includes 3D modeling software like Fusion 360 or something to help with various molding and simulation features.
tin foil hat thoughts what if CUDA on MacOS allows Adobe products to outperform Final Cut rendering times and Apple don’t want to jeopardize it’s offering?
Could be possible, but given Apple optimizes like crazy using its own hardware and software, Apple products get crazy performance. On top of that Nvidia and Apple aren't on good terms, so they obviously didn't want to build a very powerful workstation.
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#289Earlier quoted context omitted.
2x 10GBE actually. Plus four 40Gbps Thunderbolt ports.
I find that link aggregation is pretty much useless and/or unstable. Not sure what good two 10gbe ports do. But seeing 10gbe becoming part of the standard spec is a really welcomed improvement. Not the least because it will drive prices down.
I'm not mad that it's 10GBASE-T, but I'd personally rather 10G over SFP+. The sorts of shops that can afford these probably already have some pretty burly networking infrastructure, and 10GBASE-T is both expensive and (IME) less reliable.
The encoding/decoding capacity of Ethernet-over-twisted-pair seems to be reaching a point of sharply diminishing returns and the hardware for 10GBASE-T is really expensive for what's been, in my experience, a less reliable experience than SFP+. I'd rather tell somebody who needs 10GBASE-T to use an RJ-45 adapter than to have to go grab yet another Mellanox card to stick in a computer this expensive.
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That's silly to be honest. I am a developer myself and I can tell you Mac Pro or iMac Pro is a waste of money in every way imaginable. Look up barefeats benchmarks. Unless you have very specialised needs (like video editing) there is visible penalty when you increase the number of your cores. For every day usage 6-8 cores is what you should be aiming at, and preferably with highest clock speed possible. The more core…
What you say is true, but apple has generally been better at selecting processors from intel that aren't just re-bagged low clock xeons. It wouldn't surprise me if this thing is 5Ghz turbo on a couple cores. There was that 28core 5ghz beast intel was talking about (definitely not 300W though) and a few rumored W3175X, follow on.
All of the Xeons in Mac Pro say 4.4Ghz turbo from what I saw at apple.com.
So the 2019 iMac i9 @ 5Ghz on 4 cores will beat the crap out of them for software development purposes, and from the benchmarks so far it seems there is very little (or none at all) throttling on new iMacs.