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Re: New Mac Pro

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Post by lallysingh »

altmind wrote: post #198
Shivetya wrote: post #23

I know being expandable is important here but I am stunned by the fact that an iMac Pro actually comes with better SSD and Video Card for less money and you get a screen to boot! 256g SSD is shameful, I don't care what they were thinking. No Nvidia support mentioned so I know a few that just wrote it off for that oversight alone. They will probably hold out just to be sure but that was the hope for them and others. W…

$5000 for imac pro(+applecare)? that is bonkers. $6000 is even more crazy. You can get more storage, better gpu, more options for network for much less. And you wont need to deal with apple geniuses to fix the issues.

Apple is only thinking of video editing for this box.

Re: New Mac Pro

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Post by jandrese »

_ph_ wrote: post #26
amarshall wrote: post #12

The price saddens me. The $6K base is twice the base of the 2013 Mac Pro when it was released. Some quick spec-ing for a somewhat-equivalent DIY build gives somewhere around $3K. The build I was already spec-ing for my next workstation has 2x RAM, 16x SSD, SFP+ NIC and is under $5K. I hope at least that the SSDs are standard M.2, but looking at the pictures I’m not sure they are.

No, they seem to be Apple-specific, as they are controlled by their T2 chip. So expect extremely expensive SSD too.

Do they have to be special sauce drives? The picture makes it look like standard M.2 drives. It doesn't seem like you should need anything special if the T2 chip is just acting as a bog standard drive controller that happens to send only encrypted data to the drive.

Re: New Mac Pro

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Post by justinsaccount »

joemi wrote: post #232
justinsaccount wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Built around a stainless steel space frame, an aluminum housing lifts off The "aluminum housing" is what contains the circle pattern.

> the housing is much more than a decorative shell. It provides rigidity to the space frame. edit to add: Why are you trying to poke holes in Apple's use of a phrase that you've only just discovered?

Well, I thought I knew what a space frame was before. You know, those triangle based skeleton frame things.

By any definition, explanation, or example I can find the new mac pro is NOT a space frame.

Re: New Mac Pro

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Post by knicholes »

jahnu wrote: post #240
lambdasquirrel wrote: post #223

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everything about the base specs are just good enough. I’m not defending it per se, but if you spec’ed the machine for any given purpose, whether software dev, or rendering, it’d probably raise the cost by at least $1-2k, and then you’d have the “real” machine. So, the reason the price looks egregious is because most of it is just base cost. This is a computer made for the engineers who’ve already “made it,” who are m…

Who and/or how many engineers are making $500k a year!?

Download and install the app "Blind" to be shamefully informed of how many there are. Seemingly there is either a very large amount, or there are lots of SWEs who like to lie. Lots of it seem like stock options from FAANG and Uber.

Re: New Mac Pro

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Post by pfranz »

Nelson69 wrote: post #30
vbezhenar wrote: post #2

That price is just absurd. I waited for Mac Pro announcement to decide whether I'll stay with Windows or jump to macOS. Macbooks are not for me, but I hoped for a remotely reasonable priced computer, something like $2000 with another $1000 to expand with more memory, etc. But $6000 for 8-core CPU, 256 GB SSD, GPU that is less powerful than my old $200 NVidia 1060? It's just laughable. Otherwise seems like a good mach…

They just need some sort of minitower, a mac mini with a couple slots, a couple m.2 connectors and room for 64GB of removable memory.. I don't know why but I've thought something like that would almost be an ideal vehicle for xeon-d type parts.

They've been purposefully avoiding the mini-tower market for decades. For whatever reason (prestige, cannibalizing other product lines, etc) they're not interested.

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Post by shoo_pl »

threeseed wrote: post #117
Shivetya wrote: post #23

I know being expandable is important here but I am stunned by the fact that an iMac Pro actually comes with better SSD and Video Card for less money and you get a screen to boot! 256g SSD is shameful, I don't care what they were thinking. No Nvidia support mentioned so I know a few that just wrote it off for that oversight alone. They will probably hold out just to be sure but that was the hope for them and others. W…

256GB SSD and base video card is fine. I would definitely look at a Mac Pro for software development (every minute counts) and if you're in that group there is simply no need for more storage or decent graphics.

That's silly to be honest. I am a developer myself and I can tell you Mac Pro or iMac Pro is a waste of money in every way imaginable.

Look up barefeats benchmarks. Unless you have very specialised needs (like video editing) there is visible penalty when you increase the number of your cores. For every day usage 6-8 cores is what you should be aiming at, and preferably with highest clock speed possible.

The more cores you have, the lower clocks get and the harder it is to sync cache between them. If your software cannot really use that much parallelisation it will be slower, not faster.

For 99,99% devs spending cash on iMac Pro over iMac with i9 is waste of money and probably degraded performance. Mac Pro is even worse as you need to buy external monitor too.

Re: New Mac Pro

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Post by ngcc_hk »

My mind just asking questions:

No nvidia? no AI? Boot to windows? Might as well use mac mini? Starting to learn hacintosh after my two 2010 mp die? Is that thing the ugliest thing I saw in years from apple?

Re: New Mac Pro

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Post by kitchenkarma »

gigatexal wrote: post #10

Complaining only signals that you are not the market they’re targeting. This is for Hollywood media makers, high end studios, etc. This was never to be a mass market item.

What's high end about this offering apart from the price?

Re: New Mac Pro

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Post by altmind »

saagarjha wrote: post #246
altmind wrote: post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

$5000 for imac pro(+applecare)? that is bonkers. $6000 is even more crazy. You can get more storage, better gpu, more options for network for much less. And you wont need to deal with apple geniuses to fix the issues.

Those alternatives don’t run macOS.

These alternatives can run nvidia gpu :)
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