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Re: New Mac Pro

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Post by throwayEngineer »

vbezhenar wrote: post #2

That price is just absurd. I waited for Mac Pro announcement to decide whether I'll stay with Windows or jump to macOS. Macbooks are not for me, but I hoped for a remotely reasonable priced computer, something like $2000 with another $1000 to expand with more memory, etc. But $6000 for 8-core CPU, 256 GB SSD, GPU that is less powerful than my old $200 NVidia 1060? It's just laughable. Otherwise seems like a good mach…

Macs are for uninformed consumers, you are willing to shop around.

They are prepackaged fashion statements. College kids and middle class mom's, basically when someone else is paying, Apple wants your business.

Devs don't use them unless they absolutely must to compile an iOS app.

Re: New Mac Pro

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Post by justinsaccount »

joemi wrote: post #168
justinsaccount wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So... > In architecture and structural engineering, a space frame or space structure (3D truss) is a rigid, lightweight, truss-like structure constructed from interlocking struts in a geometric pattern. Space frames can be used to span large areas with few interior supports. Like the truss, a space frame is strong because of the inherent rigidity of the triangle; I don't see any triangles here.. All the examples on t…

From what pics I've seen, it looks the circles are arranged in a triangular pattern. So there are your triangles. (One of my most eye opening realizations when I was in engineering school was that just because something does not superficially look like something else, doesn't mean they're not functionally similar. My particular realization was with four bar linkages, which is another fun structure to know about.) Als…

> Built around a stainless steel space frame, an aluminum housing lifts off

The "aluminum housing" is what contains the circle pattern.

Re: New Mac Pro

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Post by ericd »

chaostheory wrote: post #49
swah wrote: post #6

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But your build doesn't run macOS.... that's all that matters for so many folks. (I aggree - I feel like maybe I will never be able to afford or justify a Mac-based system in my 3rd world country...)

MacOS is what keeps me on Apple for now, but this box is not the answer everyone is looking for. People just want an affordable desktop that you can easily expand over time. At $6000 just for the starting model, in my head I'm already planning to move back to Windows. The only major thing I might miss is iCloud. The cheese grater lineup is still the best incarnation of the Mac Pro overall. People don't want to be for…

I think the answer is to expand externally.

The solution I settled on was a Mac Mini to serve as my interface and run desktop applications, and a big hefty expandable Threadripper box running Linux that I SSH into to do all heavy lifting (and that I can put away in a closet). A NAS holds most files.

I've been really happy with the Mac Mini for this role, and the Threadripper box provides more power than I could reasonably get from any Mac.

Re: New Mac Pro

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Post by aczerepinski »

PascLeRasc wrote: post #50
vbezhenar wrote: post #2

That price is just absurd. I waited for Mac Pro announcement to decide whether I'll stay with Windows or jump to macOS. Macbooks are not for me, but I hoped for a remotely reasonable priced computer, something like $2000 with another $1000 to expand with more memory, etc. But $6000 for 8-core CPU, 256 GB SSD, GPU that is less powerful than my old $200 NVidia 1060? It's just laughable. Otherwise seems like a good mach…

The new Mac Pro, like Mac Pros always have been, is for music/TV studios and design agencies that bill their time starting at $500/hour. It's really not for individuals, and that's ok. Apple made a computer "just for the pros", like HN begs for in every butterfly keyboard thread. I'm thrilled about it even though I know I'll never touch one. It's for people who don't know what a CPU core is but know how to produce a…

I disagree that it’s always been this way. I bought a G4 tower when I was in college and it sure as heck wasn’t $6,000 back then.

This is the only traditional desktop computer that Apple sells, so it’s disappointing that everybody outside of movie studio employees has to fall back to an iMac or a Windows/Linux machine.

Re: New Mac Pro

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Post by drngdds »

saagarjha wrote: post #74
reaperducer wrote: post #37

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I know this can be controversial but I do all my work at home on a computer I built myself for ~900 running macOS Awesome. It's great that you choose to do that. You're also not the target market for this product. This is a product for people and companies for whom increased performance equals increased revenue.

I’d like to think that the target market is people who want performance and a computer that is stable.

The price indicates that that is not the case

Re: New Mac Pro

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Post by joezydeco »

beezle wrote: post #152
joezydeco wrote: post #69

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How many Corvette owners are there? As a GM shareholder should I be excited they made a car just for mid-life crises?

2015 was a banner year, nearly 35,000 sold in the USA. Only about 19,000 last year. Estimates from a number of years ago were of about $10,000 profit on each sale

So you're saying the Corvette is a flagship model that loses money for the parent company (unless their entire R&D is less than $20 million)

Perhaps that's what Apple sees in the Mac Pro as well.

Re: New Mac Pro

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Post by yzxku »

throwayEngineer wrote: post #171
vbezhenar wrote: post #2

That price is just absurd. I waited for Mac Pro announcement to decide whether I'll stay with Windows or jump to macOS. Macbooks are not for me, but I hoped for a remotely reasonable priced computer, something like $2000 with another $1000 to expand with more memory, etc. But $6000 for 8-core CPU, 256 GB SSD, GPU that is less powerful than my old $200 NVidia 1060? It's just laughable. Otherwise seems like a good mach…

Macs are for uninformed consumers, you are willing to shop around. They are prepackaged fashion statements. College kids and middle class mom's, basically when someone else is paying, Apple wants your business. Devs don't use them unless they absolutely must to compile an iOS app.

When I absolutely must compile an iOS app I use a vmware virtual machine I download from the pirate bay :P

Re: New Mac Pro

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Post by gigatexal »

holy_city wrote: post #82
gigatexal wrote: post #10

Complaining only signals that you are not the market they’re targeting. This is for Hollywood media makers, high end studios, etc. This was never to be a mass market item.

I work in Hollywood. The complaints are here too. But people are more concerned with upgrades and repairs. Loss of a machine for a few days/weeks for a repair is far more costly than anything else. That said a lot of the industry is moving to the cloud anyway and doesn't require workstations. Some shops are entirely on Linux. Audio post/recording and editing are the last bastions of mac pro dominance, imo.

Isn’t there something to be said about a local powerful workstation though or has offloading things to the cloud gotten that good?

Re: New Mac Pro

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Post by 8draco8 »

tedivm wrote: post #120
martin_bech wrote: post #73

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The old Mac Pro has AMD FirePro GPUs. Not Nvidia

Depends on your definition of "old". From 2006 to 2009 they were nvidia, and then in 2010 they switched.

Trash can is trash can and it had Radeons, before that was cheese grater with Nvidia GPUs

Re: New Mac Pro

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Post by threeseed »

colechristensen wrote: post #126

The copy about the lattice pattern front being inspired by nature for airflow and rigidity is pretty ridiculous. It looks cool to have little spheres cut in the inside of a metal block but that's it. If you were actually optimizing for airflow or density you would do something entirely different (or you would look at the effects the grill has on airflow and realize the effect is minimal regardless of what you do and…

Not sure what you are talking about. They actually were optimising for airflow. If you look at the picture you couldn't design to allow more air to come through whilst maintaining a rigid structure: https://www.apple.com/mac-pro/design/

As for dust/dirt you could just spray it with compressed air.

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