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Re: New Mac Pro

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Post by PascLeRasc »

shawnz wrote: post #33
dllu wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's competing against machines such as the Boxx dual-CPU workstations, which start at $8000 [1]. I can see movie studios and such shelling out the big bucks to buy these for their 3D modellers, but only the super rich would buy one for themselves. [1] https://www.boxx.com/systems/workstations/d-class

Competing on what, markup? What advantage does this hardware give for movie studios when consumer grade hardware outperforms it?

It runs macOS and those consumer grade computers don't. If the best colorist in the area is working on your film, you give them the tools they ask for.

Re: New Mac Pro

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Post by Analemma_ »

vbezhenar wrote: post #31
gigatexal wrote: post #10

Complaining only signals that you are not the market they’re targeting. This is for Hollywood media makers, high end studios, etc. This was never to be a mass market item.

What's wrong with making a mass market Mac Pro? I mean, old Mac Pros were much more reasonably priced. It's not like inflation was that huge over recent years or computer components suddenly have much higher costs.

They want the mass market to buy the iMac Pro instead, which actually is reasonably-priced for what you get.

Re: New Mac Pro

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Post by chaostheory »

Nelson69 wrote: post #30
vbezhenar wrote: post #2

That price is just absurd. I waited for Mac Pro announcement to decide whether I'll stay with Windows or jump to macOS. Macbooks are not for me, but I hoped for a remotely reasonable priced computer, something like $2000 with another $1000 to expand with more memory, etc. But $6000 for 8-core CPU, 256 GB SSD, GPU that is less powerful than my old $200 NVidia 1060? It's just laughable. Otherwise seems like a good mach…

They just need some sort of minitower, a mac mini with a couple slots, a couple m.2 connectors and room for 64GB of removable memory.. I don't know why but I've thought something like that would almost be an ideal vehicle for xeon-d type parts.

People have been begging for this for over a decade now. It doesn't take much to see demand if you look at the Hackintosh community or the eBay market for old Mac Pros.

Re: New Mac Pro

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Post by jakobegger »

_ph_ wrote: post #47

Very sad day. In the first moments, I thought everyones wishes had come true, and they bring back the old style Mac Pro back, with a redesigned housing. But the old Mac Pro had started around 2-3k, so while never cheap, not out of reach of an enthusiast user. While the specs of the new Mac Pro are certainly impressive, the price is just out of the range of all private and most professional users. Not sure why Apple r…

You can probably load it up with a lot of PCIe SSD cards.

There's really no need to add bays for magnetic drives anymore (if you want magnetic drives, you probably want them in a NAS)

Re: New Mac Pro

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Post by duskwuff »

KoenDG wrote: post #43

Seems like they're not announcing the CPU just yet?

There's CPU specs at:

https://www.apple.com/mac-pro/specs/

Most of the specs sound like Cascade Lake parts, but the cache sizes don't quite match. It's possible that Apple's using a custom part, or one which Intel hasn't announced yet.

Re: New Mac Pro

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Post by pat2man »

internobody wrote: post #35
dllu wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's competing against machines such as the Boxx dual-CPU workstations, which start at $8000 [1]. I can see movie studios and such shelling out the big bucks to buy these for their 3D modellers, but only the super rich would buy one for themselves. [1] https://www.boxx.com/systems/workstations/d-class

3D modelers want NVIDIA cards, not Radeon, as NVIDIA supports CUDA. This has been a longstanding issue with 3D folks; the old trashcan Mac Pro had NVIDIA GPUs even with otherwise-outdated internals. When rumblings came of new Mac Pros a few years ago there was excitement that they could get some fast machines again; alas this appears not to be the case.

In theory you can stick any nvidia cards you want into this machine. Don't have to stick with the stock AMD GPUs.

Re: New Mac Pro

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Post by amarshall »

_ph_ wrote: post #26
amarshall wrote: post #12

The price saddens me. The $6K base is twice the base of the 2013 Mac Pro when it was released. Some quick spec-ing for a somewhat-equivalent DIY build gives somewhere around $3K. The build I was already spec-ing for my next workstation has 2x RAM, 16x SSD, SFP+ NIC and is under $5K. I hope at least that the SSDs are standard M.2, but looking at the pictures I’m not sure they are.

No, they seem to be Apple-specific, as they are controlled by their T2 chip. So expect extremely expensive SSD too.

Which, of course, if they aren’t able to be user-replaced with commodity parts, kind of throws the whole “user-upgradeable” part out the window.

Re: New Mac Pro

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Post by joezydeco »

aczerepinski wrote: post #60
gigatexal wrote: post #10

Complaining only signals that you are not the market they’re targeting. This is for Hollywood media makers, high end studios, etc. This was never to be a mass market item.

How many Hollywood media makers are there? As an Apple shareholder should I be excited to learn that they made a specialty computer for this demographic?

How many Corvette owners are there? As a GM shareholder should I be excited they made a car just for mid-life crises?

Re: New Mac Pro

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Post by mcphage »

Shivetya wrote: post #23

I know being expandable is important here but I am stunned by the fact that an iMac Pro actually comes with better SSD and Video Card for less money and you get a screen to boot! 256g SSD is shameful, I don't care what they were thinking. No Nvidia support mentioned so I know a few that just wrote it off for that oversight alone. They will probably hold out just to be sure but that was the hope for them and others. W…

> 580X is old, 2017 old

Is it? This site claims it came out in March 2019 but I definitely can't keep the various graphics card lines separate in my head: https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-pro-580x.c3398

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