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Re: New Mac Pro

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Post by fooey »

vbezhenar wrote: post #16
vesrah wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does the Mac Mini not meet what you're asking for?

I want tower case, silent and performant. I want powerful GPU for few games I'm playing. I want ECC memory. I want to put one or two HDDs along with main SSD. Mac mini does not sound like something I would like to use. I don't need small size, I have enough room. I don't need portability, I work from one place.

I don't know why people still keep waiting for Apple to support gaming in any way at all.

Worse than just not supporting gaming, they're antagonistically blocking companies like Nvidia who tried to fill in the gap with external GPUs.

https://appleinsider.com/articles/19/01/18/apples-management...

If you want to game, you buy Windows, end of story.

Re: New Mac Pro

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Post by reaperducer »

justinsaccount wrote: post #24

> The starting point for Mac Pro, the stainless steel space frame Only apple could manage to call a bent piece of metal pipe a "space frame". edit: getting downvoted because a "space frame" is a real thing. However, those are very specifically designed to be a "Three-dimensional truss based on the rigidity of the triangle" and this is absolutely not that. This apple co-opting an existing term for something and applyi…

Only apple could manage to call a bent piece of metal pipe a "space frame".

Or every architect and engineer in the world.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_frame

Re: New Mac Pro

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Post by Eric_WVGG »

bluedino wrote: post #17

The thing the Mac Pro does is magically make the price of every other computer look that much better. $6000 for a computer? Johnson, that's insane. What about $4999 for an iMac Pro? It comes with a display. Great, order it! What about $2499 for a Mac Mini with 32GB and 1TB SSD? Great, order it! What about $2499 for a Macbook Pro? Great, order it!

The 1987 Mac II released at $5,498, $12,125 adjusted for inflation.

Granted, that included a monitor.

IMO these things are designed for companies like Pixar, Disney, and aerospace, the "if you have to ask, you can't afford it" world.

Re: New Mac Pro

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Post by ofrzeta »

Design-wise it's not great. The quite minimal case with the huge handles looks a bit amateurish and cheap. Although they try to inflate every feature in the typical Apple manner, like the "spherical array" that is "onto the internal and external surfaces of the aluminum", the front panel is not sound. Actually a perforated metal plate like in the old macs looks better. Obviously it's question of taste but it's not great Apple design that used to impress me in the past.

Re: New Mac Pro

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Post by wjakob »

Lack of NVIDIA support is a deal-breaker. The AMD ecosystem is just so far behind when it comes to frameworks like CUDA, OptiX, cuDNN, etc.. Why can't Apple open up kernel-level support by cooperating more with NVIDIA? This state of things seems completely bizarre to me.

Re: New Mac Pro

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Post by _ph_ »

Very sad day. In the first moments, I thought everyones wishes had come true, and they bring back the old style Mac Pro back, with a redesigned housing. But the old Mac Pro had started around 2-3k, so while never cheap, not out of reach of an enthusiast user. While the specs of the new Mac Pro are certainly impressive, the price is just out of the range of all private and most professional users. Not sure why Apple refuses to sell a machine which just allows to put in a normal desktop graphics card.

Also: they are selling a "Pro" desktop Mac without real mass storage? Just 4T of SSD? (Of course only available at Apple prices). The old Mac Pro had a lot of storage slots, both for 3.5 and 5.25 inch drives, but the new one couln't house at least a couple of 2.5 inch slots as well as NVMe slots?

Re: New Mac Pro

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Post by chaostheory »

swah wrote: post #6
vbezhenar wrote: post #2

That price is just absurd. I waited for Mac Pro announcement to decide whether I'll stay with Windows or jump to macOS. Macbooks are not for me, but I hoped for a remotely reasonable priced computer, something like $2000 with another $1000 to expand with more memory, etc. But $6000 for 8-core CPU, 256 GB SSD, GPU that is less powerful than my old $200 NVidia 1060? It's just laughable. Otherwise seems like a good mach…

But your build doesn't run macOS.... that's all that matters for so many folks. (I aggree - I feel like maybe I will never be able to afford or justify a Mac-based system in my 3rd world country...)

MacOS is what keeps me on Apple for now, but this box is not the answer everyone is looking for.

People just want an affordable desktop that you can easily expand over time. At $6000 just for the starting model, in my head I'm already planning to move back to Windows. The only major thing I might miss is iCloud. The cheese grater lineup is still the best incarnation of the Mac Pro overall.

People don't want to be forced to buy an integrated screen, nor do they want a headless laptop, and not everyone can live with a laptop alone. In other words, I don't want a semi-powerful machine trapped in amber or a larger version of an iPhone / iPad.

I just have to figure out a good replacement for iCloud and its related apps.

Re: New Mac Pro

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Post by PascLeRasc »

vbezhenar wrote: post #2

That price is just absurd. I waited for Mac Pro announcement to decide whether I'll stay with Windows or jump to macOS. Macbooks are not for me, but I hoped for a remotely reasonable priced computer, something like $2000 with another $1000 to expand with more memory, etc. But $6000 for 8-core CPU, 256 GB SSD, GPU that is less powerful than my old $200 NVidia 1060? It's just laughable. Otherwise seems like a good mach…

The new Mac Pro, like Mac Pros always have been, is for music/TV studios and design agencies that bill their time starting at $500/hour. It's really not for individuals, and that's ok. Apple made a computer "just for the pros", like HN begs for in every butterfly keyboard thread. I'm thrilled about it even though I know I'll never touch one. It's for people who don't know what a CPU core is but know how to produce a platinum album, get an Oscar nomination, or bring a revolutionary industrial design to market. This is really something where the price is superfluous. I personally wish it was higher so that was more obvious.
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