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Re: Apple Sign In

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Post by w3rhn2j34oh5o »

dpq wrote: post #58

Sounds like a good time to remind people about Telegram having a similar function for quite some time now. And just yesterday they announced a feature to simplify logging into web sites using TG bots: https://telegram.org/blog/privacy-discussions-web-bots It might be a personal choice, but for stuff when privacy is really important I'd definitely pick Telegram over Apple, no matter how much the latter claims to keep…

Telegram is unencrypted by default. All standard messages are stored on the server. Telegrams secret chat mode (end-to-end encryption) uses home made cryptography, and has been panned by experts in past. All group chat is in the clear and stored on the server. This is not the case with imessage. Comparing Telegram to iMessage, telegram is not in the same league as Apple. I don't trust either from TLA's or well funded adversaries.

Re: Apple Sign In

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Post by jiveturkey »

albertgoeswoof wrote: post #50
mjlee wrote: post #3

Disposable, anonymous email forwarding is a massive step forward for privacy. I know we've all been doing it for a while, but this on a consumer level is fantastic.

If you don’t use apple, I just built this as a stand-alone product: https://idbloc.co

the super annoying "can i help you?" popup after 10s is revolting. i closed the tab immediately without learning more. it's cheesy, pushy, and seems antithetical to a service that offers privacy. i recommend you turn that thing off.

Re: Apple Sign In

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Post by dpq »

saagarjha wrote: post #65
dpq wrote: post #58

Sounds like a good time to remind people about Telegram having a similar function for quite some time now. And just yesterday they announced a feature to simplify logging into web sites using TG bots: https://telegram.org/blog/privacy-discussions-web-bots It might be a personal choice, but for stuff when privacy is really important I'd definitely pick Telegram over Apple, no matter how much the latter claims to keep…

> I'd definitely pick Telegram over Apple Why?

For a start, I don't own, and don't want Apple devices.

Also, stories about FISA overreach, PRISM, the rest of the alphabet soup plus gag orders do not particularly inspire confidence.

Re: Apple Sign In

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Post by untog »

jiveturkey wrote: post #117
anbop wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And being done by Apple, most services can’t just reject these the way they do with Mailinator addresses, since it would be throwing away a giant chunk of their revenue. Apps with huge consumer demand like Uber or Facebook could get away with it, but not the vast majority of apps.

I think this will be proven wrong. Do you think that the folks using Mailinator are strictly non-Apple users? As an Apple user that signs up with a mailinator ID, if rejected I either move on or use a more palatable address, as the case may be depending on my desire to use that service. The same will hold true for any private appleid address.

You're missing the scale. Mailinator users are a very small percentage of users, while Apple Sign In users are likely to represent a much larger slice of your potential users, given that you have a honking great button there waiting for them.

Re: Apple Sign In

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Post by sxates »

albertgoeswoof wrote: post #50
mjlee wrote: post #3

Disposable, anonymous email forwarding is a massive step forward for privacy. I know we've all been doing it for a while, but this on a consumer level is fantastic.

If you don’t use apple, I just built this as a stand-alone product: https://idbloc.co

Great! I used a service like this many years ago and they shut down after a few years. Have been looking for the same thing for years but seems like nobody's been doing it, or at least not in a user friendly way. Will give this a try.

Re: Apple Sign In

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Post by anbop »

jiveturkey wrote: post #117
anbop wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And being done by Apple, most services can’t just reject these the way they do with Mailinator addresses, since it would be throwing away a giant chunk of their revenue. Apps with huge consumer demand like Uber or Facebook could get away with it, but not the vast majority of apps.

I think this will be proven wrong. Do you think that the folks using Mailinator are strictly non-Apple users? As an Apple user that signs up with a mailinator ID, if rejected I either move on or use a more palatable address, as the case may be depending on my desire to use that service. The same will hold true for any private appleid address.

I’d say that one month from release, 100 times as many people will know about Sign in With Apple as have ever used Mailinator. And Apple marketing will drill into them why they should use it, and mark apps in the App Store that support it. Eventually for experimental apps that they are not 100% decided on getting, there will be a large fraction of users who simply won’t try an app that doesn’t support it.

Re: Apple Sign In

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Post by w3rhn2j34oh5o »

dpq wrote: post #123
saagarjha wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'd definitely pick Telegram over Apple Why?

For a start, I don't own, and don't want Apple devices. Also, stories about FISA overreach, PRISM, the rest of the alphabet soup plus gag orders do not particularly inspire confidence.

then use signal. friends don't let friends use telegram. Signal gives you all of this without the snake oil that telegram is selling you.

Re: Apple Sign In

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Post by albertgoeswoof »

jiveturkey wrote: post #122
albertgoeswoof wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you don’t use apple, I just built this as a stand-alone product: https://idbloc.co

the super annoying "can i help you?" popup after 10s is revolting. i closed the tab immediately without learning more. it's cheesy, pushy, and seems antithetical to a service that offers privacy. i recommend you turn that thing off.

Thanks for the feedback, I’ll try to tone that thing down a bit. The thing is, some people LOVE the chat widget. Especially for those users who don’t want reveal their real email address but have a quick question. I’ve had at least 3x more chats on there than support emails.

Re: Apple Sign In

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Post by thrill »

kevin_b_er wrote: post #57

Companies already massive dislike fake/temporary emails. Go find a throwaway email service and you'll find many many websites blacklist them. I'll actually be angry if Apple succeeds, because it'll just mean I can only have private email address as an apple customer and not anywhere else. Many companies might make an exception for Apple, but not anyone else.

This is neither a fake nor a temporary email. It is unique, made specific by the combination of the user's appleid and the target app/website, and permanent in that it will remain the same. The ability of the user to automatically discard/block content sent to the email address doesn't change this, as it's no different other than (probably) more convenient than setting up a bunch of spam filter rules for those "services" that refuse to remove your address.
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