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Google Just Gave 2B Chrome Users a Reason to Switch to Firefox

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Re: Google Just Gave 2B Chrome Users a Reason to Switch to Firefox

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I’ve got the same generation MBP. Why not just use the slack desktop app? I’ve never had a problem running that side by side with Firefox. And performance for both is nearly as good as on my current model laptop at work.

IIRC when I first tried that about a year and a half ago, it didn't work properly :/

Huh, personally I’ve never had a problem with slack for desktop.

Re: Google Just Gave 2B Chrome Users a Reason to Switch to Firefox

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> Settling on a single implementation fixes that issue. When Microsoft was in a monopoly position, they ignored the standards and pushed ActiveX plugins. Chrome this year wanted to push other browsers to adopt obsolete U2F specifications because they used them in Google products. If there's a single implementation, and the gatekeepers are majority from one company, standards and interoperability become irrelevant.

>If there's a single implementation, and the gatekeepers are majority from one company, standards and interoperability become irrelevant. That's a good thing. What's the point of maintaining four separate software projects who's ideal purpose is to literally do the exact same thing. It's much better to settle on one open source project. If we think Google is the boogeyman then settling on a Chromium fork is still lig…

Forom a technical standpoint it's of course unideal, but from a governance standpoint there's a lot to be gained. The browser is a critical piece of infrastructure and handing a monopoly to one company is essentially sleeping at the wheel. As long as there's significant economic value in providing the platform, competition is in the public interest.

Re: Google Just Gave 2B Chrome Users a Reason to Switch to Firefox

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As a web developer, I find this to be anything be true. Safari supports loads of cool features that clients ask for, like native css carousels (css snap points), and blur effects (backdrop-filter). Chrome, does not.

If you're still developing carousels then you deserve everything you get with Safari. Have fun with that :)

???

Software has these everywhere. iOS and Android homescreens are carousels. Netflix 'rails' are carousels. CSS Snap Points is a way to create native snapping scrolling views, which Safari and IE supports, but Chrome does not.

Re: Google Just Gave 2B Chrome Users a Reason to Switch to Firefox

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Great to see mainstream media picking this up and giving Firefox some exposure. With Microsoft switching to Chromium, Firefox is now the only viable (cross platform) alternative. FF gaining back a solid amount of market share is critical for the browser ecosystem in the future. (Personally I switched back to FF after the first Quantum release, which brought performance back on par with Chrome. On mobile, the ad block…

I hope to see Firefox eventually providing an embeddable framework, considering that Chromium isn't just monopolising the web browser space... it's spreading into desktop applications through Electron. Left unchecked, Google will manage to poke its fingers into every pie within reach. It seems like the ideal solution of using the OS's native web toolkit hasn't been successful so far. So the next best offering (aside…

You mean like Positron? That was abandoned several years ago. So was Spidernode, FirefoxOS/apps, etc. Other dropped projects include Shumway, the JavaScript flash runtime. Basically every interesting thing they do that isn't directly related to improving Firefox seems to get dropped eventually.

Then there's GeckoView, which they explicitly decided not to make available as a WebView drop-in to be available systemwide on Android. In this case, at least they seem to have a reason, though it seems to me that having an alternative to Google's WebView would be valuable enough to continue.

Re: Google Just Gave 2B Chrome Users a Reason to Switch to Firefox

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Re: Google Just Gave 2B Chrome Users a Reason to Switch to Firefox

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There is a very loud but relatively tiny minority of developers that work for/with and/or support Mozilla in some way, who actively take part in brigading on HN to try and sway your opinion. Any time anybody complains about a better browser, you'll see someone promote Firefox and bring a few hundred of their friends to up-fnord their story to the front page or down-fnord dissenting commenters.

I guess you have proofs of that. Claiming that there's brigading just because people upvote what you don't find upvote-worthy is not very constructive. I mean, I've been a Mozilla volunteer for a couple of years, some years ago (on MDN, FWIW), but I think it doesn't mean I'm some sort of fanboy just because of that. Ask Mozilla volunteers who's seen me drunk how harsh I can be towards Mozilla.

Clearly the evidence is the fact that Mozilla/Firefox, with a very, very tiny minority market share among browsers, is able to make it to the HN front-page whenever they want.

There simply aren't that many fans of the browser.

What else should I conclude?

(And both of my comments on this thread are flagged for 1) telling the truth about this obvious brigading and 2) saying I'd rather use MS Edge because I don't trust Mozilla after they added tracking via Pocket and after they removed an extension for purely political purposes which are 2 things that most definitely did happen. The truth hurts I guess, better hide it!)

Re: Google Just Gave 2B Chrome Users a Reason to Switch to Firefox

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It's not just that. Exporting Passwords from Chrome to FF is impossible in macOS. Not a day goes by that I don't have to enter my password for a website. Thus, switching to FF actually means re-entering tens of passwords manually (given that you do remember the passwords, otherwise you'll have to go to Passwords Manager in Chrome and see the saved passwords).

Might it be worth using a password manager instead, like 1Password, or KeePass and its variants?

Sorry to be completely off topic here as HN does not support private messages or replies to old threads.

A long shot but you may be able to save us countless hours of effort. Over at the OpenJ9 project we're trying to get z/OS testing for our JDK and one of the dependencies is the XML::Parse perl library which depends on libexpat. In [1] you mentioned you worked on porting this to work with EBCDIC. Did you ever succeed? If so are your changes available in open source anywhere?

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14084875

Re: Google Just Gave 2B Chrome Users a Reason to Switch to Firefox

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I guess you have proofs of that. Claiming that there's brigading just because people upvote what you don't find upvote-worthy is not very constructive. I mean, I've been a Mozilla volunteer for a couple of years, some years ago (on MDN, FWIW), but I think it doesn't mean I'm some sort of fanboy just because of that. Ask Mozilla volunteers who's seen me drunk how harsh I can be towards Mozilla.

Clearly the evidence is the fact that Mozilla/Firefox, with a very, very tiny minority market share among browsers, is able to make it to the HN front-page whenever they want. There simply aren't that many fans of the browser. What else should I conclude? (And both of my comments on this thread are flagged for 1) telling the truth about this obvious brigading and 2) saying I'd rather use MS Edge because I don't trust…

This very thread has 533 upvotes currently. The highest I saw was around 2000. You honestly can't believe there are that many people on hn who think Firefox is a good browser or that simply don't want a WebKit/Blink monoculture?

Also, that very tiny, tiny percent of users is still in the tens (hundreds?) of millions in absolute numbers. Could it just be that Firefox users are more likely to upvote submissions about Firefox than others?

IMHO you're just seeing a conspiracy where there is none.

Re: Google Just Gave 2B Chrome Users a Reason to Switch to Firefox

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Says here the Cisco codec allows you to use H.264 in WebRTC with gstreamer and Firefox. It does not enable generic H.264 playback, only WebRTC. https://github.com/cisco/openh264/issues/2835 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/OpenH264

Because generic support for H264 in Firefox came in Firefox 43, four years ago. If Firefox finds ffmpeg, it uses it.

True but it’s a poor experience getting it to work. It breaks every few upgrades, poorly documented and mainly in the the bugtracker, and is unofficial hack because it’s not a licensed decoder.

Re: Google Just Gave 2B Chrome Users a Reason to Switch to Firefox

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> Settling on a single implementation fixes that issue. When Microsoft was in a monopoly position, they ignored the standards and pushed ActiveX plugins. Chrome this year wanted to push other browsers to adopt obsolete U2F specifications because they used them in Google products. If there's a single implementation, and the gatekeepers are majority from one company, standards and interoperability become irrelevant.

>If there's a single implementation, and the gatekeepers are majority from one company, standards and interoperability become irrelevant. That's a good thing. What's the point of maintaining four separate software projects who's ideal purpose is to literally do the exact same thing. It's much better to settle on one open source project. If we think Google is the boogeyman then settling on a Chromium fork is still lig…

I think this is incredibly shortsighted. From a programming perspective, large codebases are a bit like complex organisms and experience a sort of evolution. Forcing yourself into a single local minimum in the form of a single browser implementation guarantees that it will be much harder to avoid having the same constant set of strengths and flaws.

The common ground is the standard not the browser implementation. The web has been working well and is still working well with multiple implementations.

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