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Re: Reddit Terminal Viewer development is shutting down

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Post by Aeolun »

flukus wrote: post #47
ehnto wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hear you that it doesn't work the same way offline. But there is a good reason for the difference. If you had 1000 people in your house, bump order wouldn't work either. Even 30 active people in a chat room gets too hard to follow if everyone is talking. They are different mediums and have different requirements. I don't think real life conversation can be used as a good example for how online communication should…

> I hear you that it doesn't work the same way offline. But there is a good reason for the difference. If you had 1000 people in your house, bump order wouldn't work either. Even 30 active people in a chat room gets too hard to follow if everyone is talking. If you've got 1000 people in your house you'll have a couple of conversations going on in the kitchen, a couple in the lounge room, a couple outside and people w…

That’s true, but at that point you don’t have a thousand people any more. You have 20.

The OP is talking about a situation where there are a thousand people in a room all talking at the same time.

I don’t see an easy way to split interaction on a forum like Reddit in the same way as a thousand people in a house.

Re: Reddit Terminal Viewer development is shutting down

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Post by GoblinSlayer »

dymk wrote: post #54
jarfil wrote: post #26

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I don't think that's really such a problem, it alleviates the echo chamber effect of personalized searches, ads, content, forums, etc. on most of today's internet. Some community intermingling is good, and afterwards everyone can go back to their own subreddits.

Why do you think "some community intermingling" is good, when the platform is fundamentally poor at encouraging thoughtful discussion? I have almost never seen a civil conversation between a Trump and non-Trump supporter on Reddit, but all the time I see nasty slapfights which simply divide the community further.

Possibility of a thoughtful discussion depends more on education and human factor than technology. Realistically you're not going to have with general population, reducing the echo chamber effect is the best you can do.

Re: Reddit Terminal Viewer development is shutting down

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Post by zeropnc »

kuzehanka wrote: post #38

> More concerning, I no longer wish to support reddit as a platform. Widespread astroturfing, manufactured controversy, politics, bullying, incessant nitpicking and arguing. Ever since starting a project to collect and analyse the reddit firehose, I've had a series of eye opening experiences about just how manufactured the popular reddit content is. Every day, comments and posts with hundreds to thousands of upvotes…

I broke a major news story on my own blog years ago on Reddit. It was the top story for a few minutes. Within 20 minutes it was magically deleted, I was shadowbanned, and an identical story from one of the biggest news publications in the world was suddenly #1 up there.

The information we live and breathe every day is bought and paid for.

Re: Reddit Terminal Viewer development is shutting down

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Post by GoblinSlayer »

thecatspaw wrote: post #9
axaxs wrote: post #6

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In a broader sense, sure. But I've witnessed very little of that here, which is mostly self moderated with a nudge from the admins. I've noticed this also in other smallish niche communities. Reddit has become so mainstream that everyone has a place. I think the big problems arise in the more general subs where all the miscreants from the web intersect. Same with YouTube, or any large community really. No amount of c…

> In a broader sense, sure. But I've witnessed very little of that here, which is mostly self moderated with a nudge from the admins. I've noticed this also in other smallish niche communities. hn also seems to be more accepting of opinions which people disagree with. Here it seems to lead more to a civil debate about why you are wrong, whereas on reddit you would more often than not get downvoted and called names.

Do you compare to the_donald? /r/programming looks less censored than YC.

Re: Reddit Terminal Viewer development is shutting down

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Post by Scrantonicity »

kuzehanka wrote: post #86
nsilvestri wrote: post #83

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To preface: I have over 650,000 reddit karma, mostly collected from 2014-2017. Roughly 150,000 of this is from posts, the rest comments. I completely agree that mods can push their own agenda about their subreddits; they have almost completely unfettered control of their subreddits, and the admins almost never intervene. But I don't agree that there's an argument to be made for the actual posters of content; it's sim…

What are your thoughts about accounts such as u/mvea consistently hitting the front page on a daily basis, often with links that were posted by other accounts earlier but only gained traction when posted by this account? What are your thoughts on accusations that admins are able to adorn comments with gold/silver for free and manipulate comment priority? What are your thoughts on the fact that any discussion about th…

> What are your thoughts about accounts such as u/mvea consistently hitting the front page on a daily basis, often with links that were posted by other accounts earlier but only gained traction when posted by this account?

Not the guy you replied to but here's my take on this. Users like gallowboob and mvea have been known to post and repost the same content multiple times. If it doesn't get traction within the first few minutes, they delete that and try again. On some other subreddits like EvilBuildings, the mods frequently prune the subreddit's front page which lets posts with a lower number of upvotes hit /r/all more easily. This kind of manipulation was also being done by some other subreddits which led the admins to step in and stop them from showing up on the front page

Re: Reddit Terminal Viewer development is shutting down

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Post by radcon »

Trufa wrote: post #41

I wonder what the "next reddit" is going to look like...

Hopefully we go back to forums, where the format is more conducive to conversation rather than snarky one-liners and memes.

This whole nested comment format becomes completely unreadable once you have more than two people involved in a comment thread, and the fact that submissions can't survive more than 36 hours guarantees that no deeper conversations would ever happen even if the comment format could support them.

On forums, there are discussion threads that last for years and the format makes them much easier to read from start to finish.

Re: Reddit Terminal Viewer development is shutting down

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Post by GLjEI4YbnGD27LB »

krtkush wrote: post #10
ralusek wrote: post #2

> More concerning, I no longer wish to support reddit as a platform. Widespread astroturfing, manufactured controversy, politics, bullying, incessant nitpicking and arguing. I don't like how people treat each other on the platform, and I don't like how it makes me feel when I use it. Don't think this has to do with Reddit so much as the way we interact with each other online, in general.

Which is true. But when I discovered reddit about 7 years back it was nothing like this. Now the website leaves me feeling absolutely crap, angry and frustrated. Plus, it is addictive.

I still like reddit. I go to like r/fitness, leagueoflegends, themotte, askhistorians. I don't go to any of the political or news reddits, so whilst its fairly meme-heavy I still get that in-group feeling.

Re: Reddit Terminal Viewer development is shutting down

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Post by bighi »

vortico wrote: post #49
ehnto wrote: post #45

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I hear you that it doesn't work the same way offline. But there is a good reason for the difference. If you had 1000 people in your house, bump order wouldn't work either. Even 30 active people in a chat room gets too hard to follow if everyone is talking. They are different mediums and have different requirements. I don't think real life conversation can be used as a good example for how online communication should…

>If you had 1000 people in your house, bump order wouldn't work either It definitely does, and it works better than "popular" sorting, here's how. You walk by rooms and overhear people talking. You hear a lot of small conversations, sorted by most recently heard. You find one you're interested in, and you're welcomed into the room of 2-20 people. You continue having a discussion, and it's less likely for it to turn "…

When you say it does work, do you mean it work well?

Because there might be a very good discussion, but the latest comments could be "my peepee is very big" and "no, your peepee is small!". And the good discussion would be overshadowed by garbage comments.

When there are hundreds or thousand of people talking, I do believe popularity is better than recency.

Re: Reddit Terminal Viewer development is shutting down

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Post by chronogram »

cbm-vic-20 wrote: post #88
chronogram wrote: post #22

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> I enjoy that the barrier to entry with places like IRC are higher because it's directly correlated with the quality of discussion, in my experience at least. Opposite experience here. Examples: the #archlinux channel on Freenode I had on autojoin for ages but never saw that higher quality discussion there. The #Fedora channel is pretty good but not so much chatting there. Last I used IRC was over a year ago, so may…

Unfortunately, a lot of people have been switching over to using Discord, and that's splitting up a lot of the IRC community who doesn't want to move to a closed, corporate controlled system.

It was not the quantity, it was the quality of especially the arch channel. But it is understandable that people move away from IRC, since, let’s be honest it’s not something you’d want to start with nowadays. Discord isn’t great, but it is easy and there doesn’t seem to be much in the way of alternatives.

Re: Reddit Terminal Viewer development is shutting down

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Post by minimaxir »

paulriddle wrote: post #90
OrwellianThrow wrote: post #69

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I have very similar feelings about this site at least recently. There appears to be significant effort from moderators here to squash outside opinions, I've noticed a lot of posts that I've commented on have become flagged even though they did not break the rules and in fact had positive responses from other users (not downvoted).

Do you think HN owners have contracts with some companies to keep them on the front page? I always see these links to BBC, New York Times, Reuters, Techcrunch, theregister.co.uk, etc. on the front page. Who upvotes this crap? These are regular news that don't belong on HN. I think it's unlikely, but still it's annoying to see stuff like this here. I'm not against it, but it's always there. It got to the point that I…

> These are regular news that don't belong on HN.

Tech news is still tech.

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