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Millennials ‘Make Farming Sexy’ in Africa, Where Tilling Soil Once Meant Shame

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Re: Millennials ‘Make Farming Sexy’ in Africa, Where Tilling Soil Once Meant Shame

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is both off topic and a flamewar topic, which the site guidelines ask people not to introduce. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html To give this article a fairer chance at having its actual content discussed, I'm going to collapse this subthread.

I see you’re still censoring to shape the narrative and silence wrongthink discussions. Have you considered you’re not in the right, when both Congress and the Whitehouse have investigated social media censorship?

>I see you’re still censoring to shape the narrative and silence wrongthink discussions.

Ding! Lick the boots or get off HN, citizen.

Re: Millennials ‘Make Farming Sexy’ in Africa, Where Tilling Soil Once Meant Shame

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do economies really need to go through that "farming phase" to grow? I don't see the connection. Modern farming employs less than 1% of the population. Non-modern farming can not compete at all except in tiny niches. So how are those "native farmers" going to bring their societies from poverty to prosperity, by being completely uncompetitive, but protected at the same time?

People without incomes can't afford cheap imported food.

Who says they don't have incomes? Let's say they don't have incomes, who says the solution is becoming a farmer as opposed to performing any other form of work?

In 2019, being a farmer without modern machinery is pretty much the least valuable form of labor one could perform, unless we're talking about very specific foods that need special care, i.e. not the kind of food that actually feeds a population.

Only narrow-minded "back-to-the-roots" westerners who idealize farming could come up with such a non-solution. Thankfully, the Chinese who idealize money are building factories in Africa to turn that labor into real economic value.

Re: Millennials ‘Make Farming Sexy’ in Africa, Where Tilling Soil Once Meant Shame

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post #51

What is up with the Millenials Do X, Millenials do Y? I don't remember reading this kind of stories for previous generations. Why are things attributed to a collective like this, it's weird.

Maybe it's an immune system reaction to so many articles insinuating that millennials are lazy, doomed or spend all of their time on Instagram.

You left out the part where we aren't getting laid.

Re: Millennials ‘Make Farming Sexy’ in Africa, Where Tilling Soil Once Meant Shame

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One thing that shocked me is they breeding "giant rats" (Cricetomys gambianus). These are known vectors of monkeypox. Also, snails usually carry very harmful parasites to both humans and plants.

If they breed it it's a farm animal like anyone else.

Re: Millennials ‘Make Farming Sexy’ in Africa, Where Tilling Soil Once Meant Shame

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Is there such a thing as an "African millennial"? Are there Gen-Xers in Africa? Was there a baby boom to produce Baby Boomers? Aren't these generational terms relevant to the USA only? NYTimes recently covered the distinctions between Millennials and Gen-Xers, and none of those cultural touchpoints or characteristics of Millennials seem to be appropriate for describing any generation in Ghana.

There are absolutely differences between different cultures, so an American millennial or Gen-Xer might be totally different from a European one, and countries that weren't involved in WW2 probably didn't experience the baby boom at the end of the war, but at the same time, thanks to the internet, culture is getting more global, and if there's any generation that's likely to be a global generation, it's the millennials.

Re: Millennials ‘Make Farming Sexy’ in Africa, Where Tilling Soil Once Meant Shame

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This is a great development for a number of reasons: 1. You've got high unemployment and a homegrown agriculture will put people to work. 2. Citizens diet is less dependent on a long supply chain 3. A local agriculture will drive down the cost of food. This will make a measurable difference in everyone's life. In America we pay 6.4% of our income for food, in Africa it's 60%. If the cost of food goes down people will…

Thanks for those stats and the link. One issue I have with that though is it doesn't seem to take into account farm subsidies and trade barriers restricting food imports. One makes the true cost of food much higher than it appears to be, while the other makes that cost much higher than it needs to be. Then there's general government spending on rural areas and the rural economy on top of that, which make it very difficult to make neat parallels between their economic situations.

Re: Millennials ‘Make Farming Sexy’ in Africa, Where Tilling Soil Once Meant Shame

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post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

True. I think Ghana has it s bit easier than other places, because they haven’t suffered a prolonged disaster. Weak countries affected by ongoing disasters get international aid which can have “dumping” effect by undercutting the native farmers and making their enterprise less viable. In countries where this happens they (aid) have to be careful they don’t end up undercutting local economies when they try to “help”,

Do economies really need to go through that "farming phase" to grow? I don't see the connection. Modern farming employs less than 1% of the population. Non-modern farming can not compete at all except in tiny niches. So how are those "native farmers" going to bring their societies from poverty to prosperity, by being completely uncompetitive, but protected at the same time?

As someone who has family that still farms: the amount of equipment required to allow only 1% of the population to grow food is enormous. Are you seriously suggesting that it will be a trivial thing for farms that currently rely on manual labor to switch to large-scale mechanized practices? Most farmers I know have >1M USD in equipment, along with the required infrastructure to handle shipping/storing the crop.

So I don't see how they can avoid a process similar to what occurred for western farmers starting ~1900. They don't need to be competitive on a global scale, they need to find a profitable niche in their own countries. Additionally, increasing employment seems far preferable; likely developing local economies is the best way to increase standards of living rather than relying on foreign aid.

Also note that there are many crops even in the US that heavily rely on hand labor (typically fruit/vegetables). While it may not be feasible to compete with imported grains, I can certainly see how local farmers could effectively compete for these crops- which would likely also increase the diversity of foods avaliable in local markets.

How is it anything but a net positive for them to develop local industries; the increased economic output is likely to improve the entire local economies and doesn't rely on foreign aid (which can suppress long-term economic development).

Re: Millennials ‘Make Farming Sexy’ in Africa, Where Tilling Soil Once Meant Shame

#68

What is up with the Millenials Do X, Millenials do Y? I don't remember reading this kind of stories for previous generations. Why are things attributed to a collective like this, it's weird.

>Why are things attributed to a collective like this, it's weird.

Because when you look at broad trends you can see patterns among cohorts, and sometimes those patterns are important in economic and government policy.

Re: Millennials ‘Make Farming Sexy’ in Africa, Where Tilling Soil Once Meant Shame

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What is up with the Millenials Do X, Millenials do Y? I don't remember reading this kind of stories for previous generations. Why are things attributed to a collective like this, it's weird.

1. We have a lot more data now 2. We have a lot more publications now, that publish continuously, and those writers have to write about something.

Re: Millennials ‘Make Farming Sexy’ in Africa, Where Tilling Soil Once Meant Shame

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post #55

From a long line of farmers...this is just one of the first steps of industrialization. It took two generations to eradicate family farming in America (at least where I am from), and it will happen faster for Africa. It's great that people have better and more effective local food production, but when the real economics kick in, and these people are competing with corporate farming, their way of life will change, sad…

You hit the nail on the head! See my second paragraph in a sibling comment[0]. I will just expand on the point here. Investing in Africa is not for the faint of heart and your stand a good chance of losing your money. You also have to be prepared to pay some bribes to ensure that you can do business. This makes mining and oil about the only places external investors will invest in Africa. This is what has left a gap for the small farmer. We are small farmers because getting a loan isn't easy so we self fund.

South Africa on the other hand, the country I work in is very different from other parts of Africa. There are large commercial farms which produce most of the food for the country. Suppliers are not interested in small scale farmers. Animal medicines only sold through vets or in quantities of 10 000. Suppliers of shade cloth and other farming materials largely ignore you when you want to buy a handful of stock. It is very different to my home country where everyone has a few animals and you can buy whatever you want in small quantities. South Africa represents what Africa will be in the next generation or two. I full agree with your comment and I would like to enjoy the small scale farming while it is possible.

[0]https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20080828

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