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Re: Reddit Terminal Viewer development is shutting down

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Post by cubano »

Angostura wrote: post #52
cubano wrote: post #31

I always marvel that Reddit has seemed not have learned even one lesson from Digg. They are literally making the same exact mistakes, and its leading to the same exact results...karma whoring, piling on, ingroup/outgroup ete etc. It seems beyond comprehension to me that they wouldn't have thoroughly looked at the rise and fall of Digg and not made every effort not to follow the same path.

> They are literally making the same exact mistakes, I haven't seen them make a formal system whereby publishers can pay to have their content autosubmitted and promoted to the front page. That was what killed Digg.

Ok..yes I'll admit I never even knew that Digg did that.

I thought Digg's vote system was simply being gamed by bad actors. The idea that someone at Digg thought it would be even a reasonably good thing to have the system you describe is totally bonkers.

Re: Reddit Terminal Viewer development is shutting down

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Post by skohan »

vortico wrote: post #29
ralusek wrote: post #2

> More concerning, I no longer wish to support reddit as a platform. Widespread astroturfing, manufactured controversy, politics, bullying, incessant nitpicking and arguing. I don't like how people treat each other on the platform, and I don't like how it makes me feel when I use it. Don't think this has to do with Reddit so much as the way we interact with each other online, in general.

It certainly has to do with Reddit. It's unnatural for humans to communicate with priority of "most popular". If you walk in a room with strangers, meet two friends at their house, or talk in private with your mother, all of those discussions are "bump order", meaning that your most likely discussion to respond to is the most recent "thread" (or subject) that someone brought up. Online communication should function t…

There's not a "right way" or "wrong way" to organize online forums. Different interaction models result in different types of conversations, and there's room for variety there. In the case of small communities, I think it's actually beneficial to have a tool to rank order comments based on the perceived relevance to the collective.

I would say that actually showing users vote numbers is probably counter-productive. It's probably too appealing to our primate brains to be able to assign precise values to social interactions, and I think we'll probably find out in time that gamified social media is in the category of things like sugar, slot machines and opiates which are just a net negative for many many people.

Re: Reddit Terminal Viewer development is shutting down

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Post by maxheadroom »

dymk wrote: post #53
ohyeshedid wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"...but it then snowballs into a raging fury of everyone strongly or mildly related to the issue chiming in, demanding justice." I think mobs often mistake vengeance for justice.

Your average individual mistakes vengeance for justice. Read almost any thread in r/AmItheAsshole. The top comments will be the most vindictive, knee-jerk-y reaction you'll ever see.

>Your average individual mistakes vengeance for justice.

I think it's far graver than that, sadly: A cacophony of kangaroo courts, all yelling into echo chambers.

Worse, though, is the failure to delineate between an individual's actions and those who have nothing to do with the 'x' thing in question.

More egregiously, as a result of that aforementioned failure, even family members of those "suspected" for 'x' thing are ripe targets for abuse; which is entirely ignoring the premise that the individual in question could ultimately be innocent, in the end[0].

It seems that this group of individuals (en masse) demands its pound of flesh and its going to get it, no matter who it comes from.

I'd say that's far worse than simply mistaking vengeance for justice.

[0] - https://www.businessinsider.com/reddit-falsely-accuses-sunil...

Re: Reddit Terminal Viewer development is shutting down

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Post by vortico »

iaml wrote: post #60
vortico wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It certainly has to do with Reddit. It's unnatural for humans to communicate with priority of "most popular". If you walk in a room with strangers, meet two friends at their house, or talk in private with your mother, all of those discussions are "bump order", meaning that your most likely discussion to respond to is the most recent "thread" (or subject) that someone brought up. Online communication should function t…

You are describing imageboard style sorting. Was 2channel/4chan getting it right all along?

Bump order predates 2channel by maybe 15 years.

Re: Reddit Terminal Viewer development is shutting down

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Post by y4mi »

ycgeu wrote: post #51
tty2300 wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What would transfer ownership even mean? Its open source, anyone can continue maintaining it without asking permission.

Not under the same name and URL.

> Why not transfer ownership to someone else?

> Frankly, I don't want to put the work into vetting a new maintainer or transferring ownership to an organization. Stuff like this scares me.

he addressed why he chose not to transfer ownership.

Re: Reddit Terminal Viewer development is shutting down

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Post by tayo42 »

fastball wrote: post #18
krtkush wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which is true. But when I discovered reddit about 7 years back it was nothing like this. Now the website leaves me feeling absolutely crap, angry and frustrated. Plus, it is addictive.

I started using Reddit around the same time (actually 9 years ago!) and I feel the same way about it now. Recently, I've gone totally cold-turkey on the platform. Where as previously I had been posting daily for 9 years!

do you post anywhere else? traditional forums seem to have died with reddit getting big or I just can't find them anymore?

Re: Reddit Terminal Viewer development is shutting down

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Post by OrwellianThrow »

kuzehanka wrote: post #38

> More concerning, I no longer wish to support reddit as a platform. Widespread astroturfing, manufactured controversy, politics, bullying, incessant nitpicking and arguing. Ever since starting a project to collect and analyse the reddit firehose, I've had a series of eye opening experiences about just how manufactured the popular reddit content is. Every day, comments and posts with hundreds to thousands of upvotes…

I have very similar feelings about this site at least recently. There appears to be significant effort from moderators here to squash outside opinions, I've noticed a lot of posts that I've commented on have become flagged even though they did not break the rules and in fact had positive responses from other users (not downvoted).
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