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I think expanding it to Western culture is projecting a bit. Here in Europe, almost everyone I talk to considers the US a borderline hostile place to visit, let alone emigrate to... It's true that in part we're a bit spoiled by the ease of movement inside the EU, but the general experience of entering the US (including airport security) is unwelcoming to the point of being humiliating - very different to the way the…

Well traveling through the Schengen area is like traveling between US states. You don't even need a passport once you're in. If you're traveling on a non-EU passport, I don't know if entering the EU is much better. IIRC flying through Frankfurt once the customs people rifled through my carry-on for no apparent reason.

Anecdotally, I've had several negative, but inconsequential experiences with the customs people in Germany.

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> Half of America is not doing well and has been overlooked. I wasn't aware they were looking for government handouts to fix their own failings. Instead of waiting for the government to give them government jobs, they should instead take some personal responsibility for their current state. > The better educated amongst us are blinded by their own progress and weren’t looking inward. Seems to me like the better educa…

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That must be newly introduced in the last few days, considering the comments and posts I still see presented here frequently. Nevertheless, I'll take it to heart and flag things that break it.

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Re: US demands social media details from visa applicants

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But that circles back to my original question. How does the gov not have the power to boot you out (or jail) just from committing the terrorist act in itself? OR even just from finding out that said person has terrorist ties? I don't buy the answer of needing the question to boot someone out. You can already boot them out for committing crimes. And I'm sure there's a question along the lines "Do you intend to commit…

I guess to kick people out who have terrorist ties even if they don’t commit any crimes while in the US?

That seems like the job for the NSA or CIA though. To flag these individuals.

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Yet the middle class in the US is far wealthier than most countries’ middle class.

And? If you had $150,000 last year then only $50,000 this year you're relative situation is worse. You don't take how well someone in Africa is doing.

Yeah, for a lot of people it's more about trajectory than the numbers. Even going up doesn't necessarily mean anything with inflation. And it's very hard to find essentials like housing here if you don't have a lot of money. I'm not very educated on the details of all this, but something about using long term mortgages as investment vehicles seems to be screwing with the market.

I don't really understand why a low end house costs something like $100,000 but a top of the line phone costs $1,000. The education, infrastructure, and materials required to make a house are all generally speaking a lot easier to come by than all of what's required for a phone. I know you can factory build phones and you need labor for a house, but you can factory build most of what a home is made of, too, and it's not like there isn't a lot of labor involved in all kinds of parts of a phone's journey (design, marketing, manufacturing, transportation, sales). I guess most of it has to do with land being finite and all the parts that make up a house? But something about that argument doesn't sit quite right with me either. It's very weird that a basic shelter, which is something people have been building themselves for thousands of years without any of the sophisticated tools we have now, is 100x more expensive than buying one of the most sophisticated, hard to design and manufacture things yet devised by man. I know houses have heating, cooling, plumbing, electricity, etc and aren't as simple as they used to be, but the price difference still seems wonky.

For a while I fantasized about building an obscenely simple house and living like a monk to save money and see how minimal I could get. I've done some camping and feel like I'd be happy living in a tent with a YMCA membership. But that's really not an option. There's no where to put up a tent or even a very modest little shack without paying tens of thousands of dollars for a strip of land to put it on, and you're never going to find much other than apartment buildings close to most of the places the work is. So even without the social stigma of living in a tent, you can't really do it.

I'm not saying life for the average person in Africa is better, and I generally agree with the sentiment that most Americans under-appreciate all the comforts of modern life.

But what's frustrating about the whole thing is there's not really a way to opt-out, and the entry price here for "being a normal part of society" seems to require most middle or lower class people to go into debt. It's a wonky, unnatural set up.

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I'm sorry, but what terrorist is going to say "Damn, they check for terrorists? I guess I won't apply." I don't think you even need the context of America's presence in the Middle East to figure out that terrorism is illegal. It isn't like it is only illegal in America. Same for things like human trafficking. I can see that with the "have you ever done drugs" question, but terrorism or human trafficking? That's quite…

Those just cover the gov’ts ass. Of course no one will answer yes, but if the govt finds out later you did commit a terrorist act, they have the power to boot you out.

> Of course no one will answer yes, but if the govt finds out later you did commit a terrorist act, they have the power to boot you out.

Wouldn't the terrorist act do the trick?

And don't we mostly imprison people forever when they do those?

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I wonder if there is any sort of oversight of the process to ensure that the determination made as to whether to approve or deny is not arbitrary.

While I will grudgingly hand over my social media details, and I have no fear of being linked to terrorism or calls for violence or anything of the sort, I am worried that my anti-Trump posts (I'm an avid follower of American politics despite not being American) and other posts condemning Republican party politics will hurt my chances. Again, I've never called for any violence against the man, but have indeed called him a moron more than a few occasions.

Re: US demands social media details from visa applicants

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As any US Visa applicant can attest to, the DS-160 is already some of the most annoying form you have to fill - in fact for most people it's less pleasurable than doing 1040. In addition to asking for details of every school you went to, every job you had, every country you've been to, they ask you questions like this: >> Have you ever violated, or engaged in a conspiracy to violate, any law relating to controlled su…

Can some lawyer explain why these questions are necessary? I understand that you can add extra convictions for lying on these applications, but all the above questions are quite damning themselves. Like >> Are you a member or representative of a terrorist organization? Assuming you are: you answer yes and you get denied a visa (duh). Answer no and the gov doesn't know, what happens? You commit terrorist activities on…

I thought the idea was that if it's found out later that you are a member of a terrorist organization you can be kicked out, even if you haven't yet done anything explicitly illegal, because you lied on the Visa application.

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Can some lawyer explain why these questions are necessary? I understand that you can add extra convictions for lying on these applications, but all the above questions are quite damning themselves. Like >> Are you a member or representative of a terrorist organization? Assuming you are: you answer yes and you get denied a visa (duh). Answer no and the gov doesn't know, what happens? You commit terrorist activities on…

I think there are several reformers who were former terrorists. They work to de-radicalize youth. This should apply to those kind of edge cases

I don't know if they still have it, but there used to be a similar question about communism, and all you had to say was "yes, but everyone had to".
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