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Re: US demands social media details from visa applicants

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I think it is fantastic our beloved government is making these admirable changes to protect us!

I don't. It's fear-mongering bullshit.

I assumed the parent was being sarcastic. Though HN isn't really the best place for comments like that (without added context or /s)

Re: US demands social media details from visa applicants

#112
post #84

So what prevents me from leaving the requested fields empty or even put wrong account names on it? What if I lie about my phone number? Will they call me to check wether it rings in my pocket? Will they write me an email to check wether I recieve it?

If you leave them blank, they could just send you a request for the missing information and wait until you send it.

If they discover you have knowingly lied on your application, then you can forget about visiting the US for a long time.

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This seems isolationist. Why would we want to isolate ourselves? For a country that was founded upon immigrants, that extremely benefited (and continues to) from diversity of thought and ideas, why would we want to stop that? I'm just under 30 and I still remember growing up how I was told that a major part of what made America great was the melting pot. In academia and at labs I've seen this be a huge benefit. But I…

I think expanding it to Western culture is projecting a bit. Here in Europe, almost everyone I talk to considers the US a borderline hostile place to visit, let alone emigrate to... It's true that in part we're a bit spoiled by the ease of movement inside the EU, but the general experience of entering the US (including airport security) is unwelcoming to the point of being humiliating - very different to the way the…

Well traveling through the Schengen area is like traveling between US states. You don't even need a passport once you're in.

If you're traveling on a non-EU passport, I don't know if entering the EU is much better. IIRC flying through Frankfurt once the customs people rifled through my carry-on for no apparent reason.

Re: US demands social media details from visa applicants

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As any US Visa applicant can attest to, the DS-160 is already some of the most annoying form you have to fill - in fact for most people it's less pleasurable than doing 1040. In addition to asking for details of every school you went to, every job you had, every country you've been to, they ask you questions like this: >> Have you ever violated, or engaged in a conspiracy to violate, any law relating to controlled su…

Can some lawyer explain why these questions are necessary? I understand that you can add extra convictions for lying on these applications, but all the above questions are quite damning themselves. Like >> Are you a member or representative of a terrorist organization? Assuming you are: you answer yes and you get denied a visa (duh). Answer no and the gov doesn't know, what happens? You commit terrorist activities on…

A lot of those are because there are specific laws barring people who have done those things from entry. Ideally, having those questions on the form (and the obvious implication that a "yes" entry means a denial of visa) educates the applicant not to continue applying, or if the offense is something which could be resolved, to prepare documentation for that.

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It's interesting how the US implements a policy, and is rightfully scorned for it. Meanwhile Europe continues to do similar things, yet Europe implements similar policies, and no one cares. Politics as usual I guess. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/12054754...

The immigration policies of the UK are very much not representative of other European countries.

Re: US demands social media details from visa applicants

#116

It's interesting how the US implements a policy, and is rightfully scorned for it. Meanwhile Europe continues to do similar things, yet Europe implements similar policies, and no one cares. Politics as usual I guess. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/12054754...

The immigration policies of the UK are very much not representative of other European countries.

That's not my point, you don't see UK under the microscope. Just seems to be another case of "US bad/Europe good".

Re: US demands social media details from visa applicants

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This seems isolationist. Why would we want to isolate ourselves? For a country that was founded upon immigrants, that extremely benefited (and continues to) from diversity of thought and ideas, why would we want to stop that? I'm just under 30 and I still remember growing up how I was told that a major part of what made America great was the melting pot. In academia and at labs I've seen this be a huge benefit. But I…

Nativism is a reaction to the decline of the middle classes prospects. Half of America is not doing well and has been overlooked. The better educated amongst us are blinded by their own progress and weren’t looking inward. We will see more focus on nativist policies in our lifetime as automation continues to eat jobs.

> Half of America is not doing well and has been overlooked.

I wasn't aware they were looking for government handouts to fix their own failings. Instead of waiting for the government to give them government jobs, they should instead take some personal responsibility for their current state.

> The better educated amongst us are blinded by their own progress and weren’t looking inward.

Seems to me like the better educated among us were busy taking ownership of our lives instead of doing the bare minimum and hoping nothing ever changed.

> We will see more focus on nativist policies in our lifetime as automation continues to eat jobs.

This has been well known for decades know, and at least for the past decade, people have been made well aware that this is coming. The previous President made this very clear that these jobs aren't coming back. This leaves people with a choice. Either life themselves up by their own bootstraps and take some personal responsibility in their lives, or give up more freedoms to government control.

Seems a shame that these nativists seem to want things for free without doing the work to get it.

Re: US demands social media details from visa applicants

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post #89
post #84

So what prevents me from leaving the requested fields empty or even put wrong account names on it? What if I lie about my phone number? Will they call me to check wether it rings in my pocket? Will they write me an email to check wether I recieve it?

Presumably something at the bottom you sign that says the information above is true to the best of your knowledge under penalty of perjury. Willing to risk 5 years in prison for lying?

The old visa waiver form asked whether you were a gunrunner, everyone lied about that.

This was when strong crypto was classed as a munition.

Re: US demands social media details from visa applicants

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This seems isolationist. Why would we want to isolate ourselves? For a country that was founded upon immigrants, that extremely benefited (and continues to) from diversity of thought and ideas, why would we want to stop that? I'm just under 30 and I still remember growing up how I was told that a major part of what made America great was the melting pot. In academia and at labs I've seen this be a huge benefit. But I…

According to recent UN reports, the United States is one of the countries with the most amount of resident immigrants [0]. In fact, according to their report, a whole 20% of immigrants (defined as people living somewhere they weren't born) call the US their home.

Another problem with your argument is that the relationship between more thorough screening of immigration applicants and a country's "level of isolationism" is lacking evidence. Perhaps a country's capabilities in screening applicants is simply correlated to how many people are trying to immigrate there? Just a hypothesis based on the data linked above.

But if I may counter your anecdote with my own: I am an immigrant in the US (Bay Area) and so are all my friends. Actually I think I interact with less than a handful of Americans regularly, everyone else is Mexican, Chinese, Slovenian, Indian, Ukranian, etc. I'm happy to have had the opportunity to find a home and work here, and I think so are they.

[0] https://www.un.org/en/development/desa/population/migration/...

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