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Re: Huawei reassesses goal to be world’s bestselling smartphone vendor

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Post by ethbro » Sun, Jun 02, 2019, 8:42 PM UTC

d3v0 wrote: post #139

DevX101 wrote: post #56

The long term impact of this Huawei dispute will be China building out a complete vertical communications/computing stack from low level chips to operating system to phone design. They won't get any market share in the U.S. but they'll dominate China (obv), India, Africa, and have some decent minority share in Europe. The ban is great for U.S. companies in the short term that are behind on 5G, but this will harm U.S.…

The US government doesn't care about privacy, they care about other nations spying on their citizens. It is evident from all the leaks of NSA/CIA that they spy more on their citizens than other nations'.

Technically, the US spies on the world... and shares info about their citizens with a number of other governments.

On the other hand, the US isn't currently occupying, detaining, and requiring patriotic reeducation for an ethnic minority within its borders.

I feel like an "It's already happening, and this is what you get" appraisal cuts less favorably towards China than the US.

Re: Huawei reassesses goal to be world’s bestselling smartphone vendor

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Post by tekkk » Sun, Jun 02, 2019, 8:44 PM UTC

_bxg1 wrote: post #129

tekkk wrote: post #116

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So which one you'd rather have spying you, China or US? While it's easy to mock US for doing bad things, at least as European they share a common cultural heritage. And yes, while they spy on their allies they are still allies with many European nations and their military support serves as a core pillar for many European nations' foreign policies. China on the other hand, isn't allied with any European nations and se…

> share a common cultural heritage There's no reason to bring racism into it. This isn't about West vs East, it's about democracy vs fascism. If it were really as banal as us-vs-them, China would have every right to fight in whatever ways they have to. That's why their government is pushing this exact narrative on its own people. We aren't (or shouldn't be) trying to keep China the society down. We're trying to cripp…

What, racism? I meant precisely what I wrote, cultural - nothing to do with color of skin or other features. Freedom of speech et cetera.

Re: Huawei reassesses goal to be world’s bestselling smartphone vendor

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Post by ethbro » Sun, Jun 02, 2019, 8:45 PM UTC

scottLobster wrote: post #141

DevX101 wrote: post #99

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Sure, but access to the U.S. market could have been used as an incentive to ensure data security globally.

Because that's worked so well for the last 20 years. If China would open their economy to US companies in the same way the US was open to China pre-trade-war, then things could work. As it stands China makes no secret about their desire to displace the US as the world's leading superpower, they've proven time and again they'll exploit any openings we give them toward that end. They don't want win-win scenarios, they…

That's the gist of China's admission to the WTO: they would have in no way qualified in terms of transparency or free trade, but promises were made that things would change.

They didn't.

If Chinese products are so yellow-star-spangled awesome, then why not let their citizens choose freely between Chinese and foreign products?

Free trade is a two way street.

Re: Huawei reassesses goal to be world’s bestselling smartphone vendor

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Post by RobLach » Sun, Jun 02, 2019, 8:46 PM UTC

maratd wrote: post #65

RobLach wrote: post #57

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Very recently actually: https://www.npr.org/2018/06/19/621065383/what-we-know-family...

Pretty sure there's a big difference between being detained for an act and being detained for just existing.

We're talking about the existence of concentration camps, not the reasons for concentrating.

Re: Huawei reassesses goal to be world’s bestselling smartphone vendor

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Post by pishpash » Sun, Jun 02, 2019, 8:48 PM UTC

gpm wrote: post #142

DevX101 wrote: post #56

The long term impact of this Huawei dispute will be China building out a complete vertical communications/computing stack from low level chips to operating system to phone design. They won't get any market share in the U.S. but they'll dominate China (obv), India, Africa, and have some decent minority share in Europe. The ban is great for U.S. companies in the short term that are behind on 5G, but this will harm U.S.…

Hopefully the other long term impact will be western companies realizing they can't rely on being able to continue to do business with Chinese ones. The Chinese government will be perfectly happy to pull that plug when it suits them even if the American government hadn't been.

That's some excellent gaslighting, given the evidence at hand.

Re: Huawei reassesses goal to be world’s bestselling smartphone vendor

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Post by bmer » Sun, Jun 02, 2019, 8:51 PM UTC

CamperBob2 wrote: post #160

scotty79 wrote: post #101

I'll just hope this Huawei debacle will be the spark that burns the patent and copyright systems to the ground.

It will certainly have that effect in China. They make cellphones, we make self-owns.

I get the play on words, but what does "self-own" mean?

Re: Huawei reassesses goal to be world’s bestselling smartphone vendor

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Post by tekkk » Sun, Jun 02, 2019, 8:58 PM UTC

_s wrote: post #121

tekkk wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So which one you'd rather have spying you, China or US? While it's easy to mock US for doing bad things, at least as European they share a common cultural heritage. And yes, while they spy on their allies they are still allies with many European nations and their military support serves as a core pillar for many European nations' foreign policies. China on the other hand, isn't allied with any European nations and se…

Well ... depending on where you are in the US, certain officials and municipalities are already doing exactly what you describe, while many would openly like to do so except that some pesky laws and constitutional rights seem to be in the way. Let's not even get into the US's treatment of foreign nations and governments. One man's freedom fighter, another man's terrorist. There is no "moral high ground" between the t…

Right. Well, I stand by my opinion. I do think US is bad, and what's happening there is nothing short of a circus. But there is still a giant difference. Cultural, perhaps. I think you cant't wipe out two thousand years of dynastic rule in a century. While US is at parts removing rights in China some of those rights never existed. Human activists live in jail in China, I can't say the same for US. But how can you really measure evil, all the bad things minus good things? Is a nation where there is a strict authority who must be obeyed better than a ruckus of power-hungry politicians trying to gain money, who can say.

Well, anyway. Politics probably shouldn't be discussed in HN. Although it's very interesting topic.

Re: Huawei reassesses goal to be world’s bestselling smartphone vendor

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Post by yourbandsucks » Sun, Jun 02, 2019, 9:07 PM UTC

anonffghhuyv wrote: post #137

yourbandsucks wrote: post #96

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Like you say, it's allegedly entirely about the iran sanctions. In practice, it's clearly a trade war thing and I'd be willing to bet quite a bit that there was a personal thing between Huawei's loudmouth CEO and our vindictive president.

> Huawei’s loudmouth CEO Um, from the interviews I’ve been reading Ren has been nothing but gracious and well spoken. He thanks all the US companies that have helped him and urges his compatriots to not “retaliate” because the US companies need to follow US laws.

That was too strong, you're right.

I'm just noticing that Huawei is conspicuously singled out, and Trump is the kind of guy to do that over some petty personal slight.

Re: Huawei reassesses goal to be world’s bestselling smartphone vendor

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Post by CamperBob2 » Sun, Jun 02, 2019, 9:12 PM UTC

bmer wrote: post #166

CamperBob2 wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It will certainly have that effect in China. They make cellphones, we make self-owns.

I get the play on words, but what does "self-own" mean?

It's probably best interpreted as an American idiom for what the rest of the world would call an "own goal." As in, you kick the football into your own team's goal, resulting in a score for the other team with no effort needed on their part.

Re: Huawei reassesses goal to be world’s bestselling smartphone vendor

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Post by gpm » Sun, Jun 02, 2019, 9:27 PM UTC

pishpash wrote: post #165

gpm wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hopefully the other long term impact will be western companies realizing they can't rely on being able to continue to do business with Chinese ones. The Chinese government will be perfectly happy to pull that plug when it suits them even if the American government hadn't been.

That's some excellent gaslighting, given the evidence at hand.

The evidence at hand that China runs an incredibly protectionist economy with long standing policies like requiring tech transfer and requiring chinese control to work there? The evidence at hand that China is interested in taking power on the international stage like the belts belt and road initiative? The evidence at hand that they don't have moral qualms like the concentration camps they run?

This isn't gaslighting. To even approach gaslighting it would require me blaming China's tendencies to do the same sort of economic move for the US doing this. This is a realistic view of the world and a likely positive outcome for Americans and other westerners.