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Re: The Central Park Five

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Post by chillwaves »

bilbo0s wrote: post #14
cromwellian wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is, you're down playing this as regular and accepted behavior. We should never accept politicians calling for the execution of people especially innocent people, regardless of how often politicians like. One of the causalities of the Trump era is how fatigued everyone is to the constant lies and ugliness that we've become densentized to it and are expected to dismiss it.

I don't know man? If it weren't regular and accepted, it wouldn't get any votes. I think that's pretty clear evidence that it is regular and accepted. But I guess we can agree to disagree. No worries man.

It's a sensitive subject but I appreciate you pointing to the reality of what attracts voters. It seems raitonal to consider that many qualities repelling to one set of voters is an attractant to another. Or at least what else could explain the success of such a polarizing figure as DT?

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Post by watwut »

evan_ wrote: post #15
watwut wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He was not politician back then. Edit: I don't mean it as defense people. Just that, he did not said it to gain votes back then. He said it because that is what he believed and who he is, nothing to do with politicians as a group. Being genuine racist is not better then playing up racism for votes. Maybe even worst in impact (as pretender will be less zealous in pushing for such policies). Don't understand why people…

He said this as recently as October 2016. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Park_jogger_case#Acc...

I am not defending it. Just that, he did not said it to gain votes back then. He said it because that is what he believed and who he is, nothing to do with politicians as a group.

Being genuine racist is not better then playing up racism for votes. Maybe even worst in impact (as pretender will be less zealous in pushing for such policies). Don't understand why people think otherwise.

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Post by maxxxxx »

bilbo0s wrote: post #6
ncmncm wrote: post #3

Trump was quoted recently saying he still thought they should have been executed. We owe these men, and the myriads who have experienced more and less, more that could be repaid in a thosand years. Best start.

Politicians say a lot of things in the US. Especially when it comes to black guys. Obviously, not much of it is true, and I wouldn't put too much stock in it, but the thing is... as horrible as this may sound to say... it can get a lot of votes.

It’s a little scary that the same guy who makes these statements also can make decisions that may lead to war. Lets hope his other decisions are a little more fact based but I have my doubts.

Re: The Central Park Five

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Post by testvox »

ncmncm wrote: post #4
jwr wrote: post #2

I'm puzzled: did they actually put five people in jail, even though there was actually one perpetrator? Convicting the wrong person is one (terrifying) mistake, but making a five-fold mistake in the number of criminals is… incredible.

The perpetrator confessed after they were in prison.

In fact the supposed perpetrator confessed after he met at least one of the 5 in prison. I say supposed as he was never actually convicted of the crime.

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Post by georgemonck »

The other side of this story: https://web.archive.org/web/20030202084858/http://www.weirdr... I'm sure some hear will object to the tone of the article I am linking to, but if you are going to flag or downvote please tell me what the article gets factually wrong. Because regardless of any bias in attitude of the article's author, if the facts in the linked article are true (eg, Salaam admitting in court that he was carrying a 12" iron pipe, Kevin saying immediately upon apprehension: "Antron did it. The murder" before the police even knew a women had been left for dead in the bottom of a ditch) then at the very least the narrative is way more complicated than the New York Times narraitve that the "police were horrible racists, the arrested kids are totally blameless, 'heroes' even." (And note: it is fully possible that the police did in fact abuse their power to get a bogus rape conviction but also that these kids are not heroes, that they committed truly horrible assaults that night.)

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Post by pimlottc »

CalChris wrote: post #5

The New York Times article doesn't mention the role Trump played in the story, about his spending $85,000 placing ads calling for a return of the death penalty. Even after the exonerations, Trump has continued to maintain that the five men had been criminals. http://time.com/5597843/central-park-five-trump-history/

> http://time.com/5597843/central-park-five-trump-history/

Warning, parent link contains auto-playing video. Even after you pause it, it'll unpause itself after it finished buffering.

Re: The Central Park Five

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Post by pimlottc »

40acres wrote: post #11

I really resented my parents growing up because they would never let me play outside. I was raised in Central Brooklyn in the 90s and stories like The Central Park Five and Abner Louima were cautionary tales in our neighborhood. We were too broke for summer programs so I spent a lot of my summers watching daytime TV, playing video games and browsing the internet. Brooklyn has changed a lot since the Regan / Bush days…

To be clear, since it might not be obvious to some readers: the fear your parents had about playing outside is what the police might do to you, as opposed to concerns about crime or general violence, is that correct?

Re: The Central Park Five

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Post by peisistratos »

georgemonck wrote: post #25

The other side of this story: https://web.archive.org/web/20030202084858/http://www.weirdr... I'm sure some hear will object to the tone of the article I am linking to, but if you are going to flag or downvote please tell me what the article gets factually wrong . Because regardless of any bias in attitude of the article's author, if the facts in the linked article are true (eg, Salaam admitting in court that he was…

> if you are going to flag or downvote please tell me what the article gets factually wrong

Half the articles on the "Weird Republic" web site you link to are bashing a host of various black people and things. Jesse Jackson, Kwanzaa, reparations for slavery, it's just article after article bashing blacks. I don't have time to read this white trash gutter nonsense, I've heard it enough before.

Two comments back you're talking about "white people were specifically being targeted for violence" and on and on racist white trash David Duke like gutter talk. I don't have the time to go out and research the falsity of every little thing. You probably don't even deserve the time I expend for this comment, I'm not going to waste my day seeing why every point of that nonsense anti-black site is wrong.

I am white and I do not look down on blacks who were not even allowed to vote or drink from water fountains in my parent's time. I look down on pathetic white trash who have accomplished nothing and have some sick desire to continue to suppress the black African nation that was kidnapped by the white American nation.

This web site has comments from white billionaires, white millionaires, extraordinary white programmers and such, and ordinary but hard working, hard studying white programmers like me, and we have no desire to waste our time exploring or even exposing the sewer that you and the Weird Republic David Duke people dwell in.

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Post by nyolfen »

40acres wrote: post #11

I really resented my parents growing up because they would never let me play outside. I was raised in Central Brooklyn in the 90s and stories like The Central Park Five and Abner Louima were cautionary tales in our neighborhood. We were too broke for summer programs so I spent a lot of my summers watching daytime TV, playing video games and browsing the internet. Brooklyn has changed a lot since the Regan / Bush days…

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0c/NY...

https://cms.qz.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/ny-murder-rate...

Re: The Central Park Five

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Post by [deleted] »

georgemonck wrote: post #25

The other side of this story: https://web.archive.org/web/20030202084858/http://www.weirdr... I'm sure some hear will object to the tone of the article I am linking to, but if you are going to flag or downvote please tell me what the article gets factually wrong . Because regardless of any bias in attitude of the article's author, if the facts in the linked article are true (eg, Salaam admitting in court that he was…

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