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Huawei reassesses goal to be world’s bestselling smartphone vendor

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Post by x0x0 »

em500 wrote: post #86
_bxg1 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Chinese government can order Huawei to do basically whatever it wants, and the former has so far shown no qualms about doing as much espionage, corporate or otherwise, as it can get away with. Infrastructure is one threat, smartphones are another.

It appears now that the US government can order Google, Qualcomm, Intel, and even non-US companies like ARM to do basically whatever it wants, and has shown no qualms in the past about spying on their European allies. From the a non-American POV the US does not have a clear moral high ground.

Huh?

As far as we know, apple has very much not built the decryption tech the govt wants. And we are reasonably sure this is true because of the persistence of vendors selling cracks.

I'm sure there are other examples too.

So I don't really see Huawei and apple/Google/Intel as at all the same.

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Post by yourbandsucks »

artificial wrote: post #114
yourbandsucks wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like you say, it's allegedly entirely about the iran sanctions. In practice, it's clearly a trade war thing and I'd be willing to bet quite a bit that there was a personal thing between Huawei's loudmouth CEO and our vindictive president.

I think the trade war is interesting. If this were a street fight where someone hit you (for decades) and you hit back and the perception trumpeted is suddenly you’re escalating things. Compare it to the previous administration which had excellent relations and plenty of IP theft and those companies could demand whatever with little recourse. Definitely politics but not as usual.

The Chinese were playing by exactly the rules we set and asked them to play by, for decades. American companies were ecstatic to outsource manufacturing someplace cheap.

Only in the last couple years have people gotten upset and started calling them cheaters or whatever, retroactively.

It raises some questions. Are we blaming them for our inability to socialize our gains from trade? Were we expecting them to never learn and move up the value chain?

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Post by dang »

yorwba wrote: post #28

Business Insider seems to have mangled the SCMP article they quote as the source: https://www.scmp.com/tech/big-tech/article/3012702/huawei-re... Foxconn, the Taiwanese electronics manufacturer that assembles handsets products for many phone brands including Apple and Xiaomi, has stopped several production lines for Huawei phones in recent days as the Shenzhen company reduced orders for new phones, according to peopl…

Ok, we'll change to that from https://www.businessinsider.com/huawei-smartphone-production.... Thanks!

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Post by hdfbdtbcdg »

SmokeGS wrote: post #105
dehrmann wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It used to be that Samsung would also be safe because South Korea is a major strategic ally of the US, but with the US using steel and aluminum tariffs on Canada and a tariff on all Mexican exports, strategic allies aren't even safe.

that's pure propaganda

Not really. Tariffs have hit e.g. Norway as well. Most of the countries affected are too small to complain - but they are quietly diversifying as a response.

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Post by johnnycab »

inflatableDodo wrote: post #127
johnnycab wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The state visit will be eventful. I am guessing we will have some inkling into this matter within the next few days.

As British subjects, we are of course only allowed to divine such knowledge by the correct interpretation of which particular flowers have been chosen to adorn Lizzie's hat and the precise selection of jewelery she is wearing.

You might be right, but after the pomp and ceremony is over and syrupy vomit of 'special relationship' and some-such has been expelled, hopefully some real business will get done?

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Post by inflatableDodo »

johnnycab wrote: post #135
inflatableDodo wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As British subjects, we are of course only allowed to divine such knowledge by the correct interpretation of which particular flowers have been chosen to adorn Lizzie's hat and the precise selection of jewelery she is wearing.

You might be right, but after the pomp and ceremony is over and syrupy vomit of 'special relationship' and some-such has been expelled, hopefully some real business will get done?

I suspect the real business is done slightly in advance, if anything.

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Post by anonffghhuyv »

yourbandsucks wrote: post #96
zwaps wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ip theft and cirumventing sanctions. To see no relation to the trade war is, however, a tad naive.

Like you say, it's allegedly entirely about the iran sanctions. In practice, it's clearly a trade war thing and I'd be willing to bet quite a bit that there was a personal thing between Huawei's loudmouth CEO and our vindictive president.

> Huawei’s loudmouth CEO

Um, from the interviews I’ve been reading Ren has been nothing but gracious and well spoken.

He thanks all the US companies that have helped him and urges his compatriots to not “retaliate” because the US companies need to follow US laws.

Re: Huawei reassesses goal to be world’s bestselling smartphone vendor

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Post by anonffghhuyv »

artificial wrote: post #114
yourbandsucks wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like you say, it's allegedly entirely about the iran sanctions. In practice, it's clearly a trade war thing and I'd be willing to bet quite a bit that there was a personal thing between Huawei's loudmouth CEO and our vindictive president.

I think the trade war is interesting. If this were a street fight where someone hit you (for decades) and you hit back and the perception trumpeted is suddenly you’re escalating things. Compare it to the previous administration which had excellent relations and plenty of IP theft and those companies could demand whatever with little recourse. Definitely politics but not as usual.

When did the street fight start though? When one of them was looting the other’s home? Or is it a new fight with each new administration?

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Post by d3v0 »

DevX101 wrote: post #56

The long term impact of this Huawei dispute will be China building out a complete vertical communications/computing stack from low level chips to operating system to phone design. They won't get any market share in the U.S. but they'll dominate China (obv), India, Africa, and have some decent minority share in Europe. The ban is great for U.S. companies in the short term that are behind on 5G, but this will harm U.S.…

The US government doesn't care about privacy, they care about other nations spying on their citizens. It is evident from all the leaks of NSA/CIA that they spy more on their citizens than other nations'.

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Post by buckminster »

inflatableDodo wrote: post #127
johnnycab wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The state visit will be eventful. I am guessing we will have some inkling into this matter within the next few days.

As British subjects, we are of course only allowed to divine such knowledge by the correct interpretation of which particular flowers have been chosen to adorn Lizzie's hat and the precise selection of jewelery she is wearing.

Since the early 80s we've been citizens, not subjects. You can thank Thatcher for that.
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