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India heatwave temperatures pass 50 Celsius

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These temperatures in high humidity can be deadly even to healthy and fit humans as our bodies are left without a way to cool down. Currently, they have humidity around 10-20% so it affects the most vulnerable, but global warming may lead to making parts of the world literally deadly to every human being... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wet-bulb_temperature The wet-bulb temperature (WBT) is the temperature read by a…

How long can we stay in a sauna before it is deadly?

I've been in some rooms that are kept at 120 degrees and 80% humidity. You can work for about an 45 minutes to an hour at most (Adult male). Working being monkeying with stuff in an electrical cabinet.

I think you'd be in serious trouble after 2-3 hours.

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Been telling people for a while, if we think the amount of refugees from our wars is bad, just wait till you see the number arriving due to the fuel we burn. Though given our reaction to the current wave of refugees, we will blame the refugees for their own predicament and probably George Soros, as is tradition, long before we accept any blame ourselves.

> just wait till you see the number arriving due to the fuel we burn. But in the case is the fuel they burn, right? India is projected to become the 2nd biggest producer of CO2 (behind China) this decade. Also, I go around here and gasoline is so cheap that people don't care about waste. Drivers let their cars with the motor on while they go to buy some small thing to eat or drink.

India also has a huge dairy industry [1] (seems like the largest), where methane produced by these animals adds to the greenhouse effect.

[1]: https://www.indexmundi.com/agriculture/?commodity=milk&graph...

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Is this really a long term solution. An A/C does not "produce" cold air it just reduces the temperature at one spot by increasing the temperature in another place making the temperature around those buildings even warmer. At some point A/C units will be battling for that little temperature difference that allows them to perform their function with increasingly higher energy demand.

Yeah and how much CO2 emissions will that A/C emit?

Zero if it runs off solar.

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I fully agree with you, but thought that the words "out of Syria" are not really reflecting reality. According to Wikipedia[1], only about a third of the migrants originated in Syria. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_migrant_crisis#Statis...

That's true but it is referred to colloquially as "The Syrian Crisis" here, in any case I don't what the solution is, I deeply admire the Germans for what they did though. Taking 1.5 million migrants with a population of 82 million, if the UK (my country) had done the same ratio that would have been 1.2 million, best figure I can find for UK is One thing I do wonder is what western culture will look like in a hundred…

Turkey took at least 3 mln people with the same population as Germany and nobody admires what they did. Syria itself took 1.2 mln of refugees from Iraq, nobody cared. Palestine refugees in Lebanon, Afghanistan refugees in Iran. Whole Middle East is filled with refugees from different regions. All these cases could've been prevented if so called democratic nations hold their governments accountable, there were no "climate" in wars that caused these movements. Just rational people in power with no repercussions for their actions. People have no control over what happens in their cities, but believe they have any power to fight in a global scale with climate change. A major can't handle a city where he/she lives. Now scale it to the "world government" mentioned before, which would be physically located thousands kilometers from places which it would govern. The best solution to migrant crisis you can find in Switzerland. Government does not have power over who becomes citizen, the people at places have. People with whom these newcomers would have to live. Zero conflict. Behavior and relations of people is different when one is hold accountable only to faceless bureaucrats and to real people.

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Yeah and how much CO2 emissions will that A/C emit?

Zero if it runs off solar.

I'm not sure if it's an actual issue but solar panels are quite dark and get really hot. I could imagine that a huge solar array does measurably heat the immediate surrounding area.

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Or we will simply not accept the refugees. As you said at current numbers it’s been really bad. At much higher numbers it will simply be a better and more popular option to close the border.

To riff on a common quote: if a million refugees want to get into your country and you don’t admit them, the refugees have a problem. If a billion refugees want in, you have a problem. Nothing “simply” about it.

That's a wrong statement though.

One million people is a single city. You do have a problem if one million people are suddenly relocating. It has happened before for war, natural disasters or other reasons.

Migrating a billion people is not a thing, for the simple fact that there isn't any human settlement any close to approaching a billion people. If you're talking about the scale of a whole continent, migratory flux span over a lifetime and are not homogeneous.

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Thanks for posting this. It's something that's really hard to communicate about climate change to people. It's also super depressing. I went down with heat stroke once and I get know what this is like. I was in hospital for 4 days after a close brush with kidney failure. So many people just think it'll be just a bit hotter in the future.

Tell me again how buying a Tesla will save this village

"Eschew flamebait. Don't introduce flamewar topics unless you have something genuinely new to say. Avoid unrelated controversies and generic tangents."

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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These temperatures in high humidity can be deadly even to healthy and fit humans as our bodies are left without a way to cool down. Currently, they have humidity around 10-20% so it affects the most vulnerable, but global warming may lead to making parts of the world literally deadly to every human being... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wet-bulb_temperature The wet-bulb temperature (WBT) is the temperature read by a…

here in my part of canada temperatures are regularly deadly, ie below 0°C. its a legitimate problem for homeless and otherwise vulnerable people. while some parts of the world warm to become uninhabitable, others will warm to the opposite.

Where is this? N Alberta?

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These temperatures in high humidity can be deadly even to healthy and fit humans as our bodies are left without a way to cool down. Currently, they have humidity around 10-20% so it affects the most vulnerable, but global warming may lead to making parts of the world literally deadly to every human being... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wet-bulb_temperature The wet-bulb temperature (WBT) is the temperature read by a…

> fatal even to fit and healthy people, unclothed in the shade next to a fan; This is scary, what's a good way to survive for someone that doesn't have access to a bunker or AC? Immersing oneself in water in a bathtub?

I've experienced this heat wave in various degrees and in different situations (long distance cycling, shopping, trekking, etc.,) and places (Bangalore, Bombay, and Delhi).

The most effective preventive measure, in my experience, is to drink (~200ml of) mineral-filled water once every half an hour. The body's heat regulation mechanism works best when provided with sufficient amount of water. The problem only begins to manifest once the body water levels aren't good enough to dispose of heat as well as maintain blood circulation in which case the body prefers to give up heat regulation over fluid circulation.

Under normal circumstances, we are used to drinking water only when we get thirsty. Under extreme heat, however, by the time thirst signal kicks in it could be too late. I learned this the hard way during long-distance cycling. Since then I've followed cyclists' mantra of eat-before-hungry and drink-before-thirsty.

Another thing to keep in mind is to drink mineralized water (such as Gatorade, juices, tender coconut water, etc.,). When you sweat you also lose a lot of minerals so replenishing just water isn't good enough.

Most of the heat wave death in India doesn't occur in an urban setting as people have access to water within walking distance. It is the farmers who are in the most danger as a) They are directly exposed to sun b) They are engaged in strenuous physical activity. By the time they realize the danger they are in it'd be too late and they lose consciousness with no one around them to help out in vast agricultural fields.

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