Huawei reassesses goal to be world’s bestselling smartphone vendor • Hacker News Board

Re: Huawei reassesses goal to be world’s bestselling smartphone vendor

#111

Post by dTal » Sun, Jun 02, 2019, 6:08 PM UTC

vkou wrote: post #69

fishtacos wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Precisely why it was important to make it illegal to do business which such an entity, Huawei. US business relies of trademark, patent, contract and license enforcement, which is where the government steps in. The Chinese gov't doesn't abide by any of these rules, nor do they enforce them, and subsequently Chinese companies are run the same way. That's not even getting in the espionage and the links between Huawei an…

Name me one major US company that does not have close links to the US government. Name one. As for the IP angle, what evidence do you have that Huawei in particular built their 5G, or phones off IP theft? I postulate that as soon as China passes the US in development of new IP, the US will find no shortage of excuses to politically interfere in the market... Just like it is doing now, actually.

> Name me one major US company that does not have close links to the US government.

Apple?

Re: Huawei reassesses goal to be world’s bestselling smartphone vendor

#112

Post by hahan_may » Sun, Jun 02, 2019, 6:10 PM UTC

_bxg1 wrote: post #36

jbverschoor wrote: post #14

The problem isn’t smartphones right? Bc then we should ban almost all phones. I thought the problem is that basically all the cell networks run on huawei

The Chinese government can order Huawei to do basically whatever it wants, and the former has so far shown no qualms about doing as much espionage, corporate or otherwise, as it can get away with. Infrastructure is one threat, smartphones are another.

So can U.S. government to U.S. companies. In the end, it boils down to the question in whom you have less distrust. Most people(in the world) will still side with U.S. no matter how they appear to be anti-american.

Re: Huawei reassesses goal to be world’s bestselling smartphone vendor

#113

Post by hahan_may » Sun, Jun 02, 2019, 6:17 PM UTC

ETHisso2017 wrote: post #13

Remind me again how Huawei smartphones in Europe are a threat to US national security

As you implies, national security is not much of a thing. but it's pure naivety and shortsightedness that european countries take a pro-huawei stance in this trade dispute/war. Sure european people can get cheap smartphones from whuawei(because of Chinese government subsidies), but they would be pushed out of business in virtually every sector of the industry by whuawei someday. Anyone has been dealing with whuawei in business knows this. Actually this process has been ongoing.

Re: Huawei reassesses goal to be world’s bestselling smartphone vendor

#114

Post by artificial » Sun, Jun 02, 2019, 6:23 PM UTC

yourbandsucks wrote: post #96

zwaps wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ip theft and cirumventing sanctions. To see no relation to the trade war is, however, a tad naive.

Like you say, it's allegedly entirely about the iran sanctions. In practice, it's clearly a trade war thing and I'd be willing to bet quite a bit that there was a personal thing between Huawei's loudmouth CEO and our vindictive president.

I think the trade war is interesting. If this were a street fight where someone hit you (for decades) and you hit back and the perception trumpeted is suddenly you’re escalating things. Compare it to the previous administration which had excellent relations and plenty of IP theft and those companies could demand whatever with little recourse. Definitely politics but not as usual.

Re: Huawei reassesses goal to be world’s bestselling smartphone vendor

#115

Post by hahan_may » Sun, Jun 02, 2019, 6:24 PM UTC

Waterluvian wrote: post #31

ci5er wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even if Huawei handsets in Europe are not a threat to national security, most consumers would expect them to be able to run Android, which Google can no longer sell them...

It's a great opportunity for the rest of the world to stop leaning on American companies and American technology. It would be wonderful for a European and/or an Asian alternative to Android to emerge.

Asian alternatives maybe, but European ones, alas. It seems no European on HN has pointed out that the biggest or perhaps sole victim of aggression of Chinese tech company so far has been european companies, not U.S. ones, which has profited enormously from investing in china. It's funny to see eureopean countries/companies/people backing whuawei purely out of lefty liberal anti-american brainwash in decades.

Re: Huawei reassesses goal to be world’s bestselling smartphone vendor

#116

Post by tekkk » Sun, Jun 02, 2019, 6:29 PM UTC

em500 wrote: post #86

_bxg1 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Chinese government can order Huawei to do basically whatever it wants, and the former has so far shown no qualms about doing as much espionage, corporate or otherwise, as it can get away with. Infrastructure is one threat, smartphones are another.

It appears now that the US government can order Google, Qualcomm, Intel, and even non-US companies like ARM to do basically whatever it wants, and has shown no qualms in the past about spying on their European allies. From the a non-American POV the US does not have a clear moral high ground.

So which one you'd rather have spying you, China or US? While it's easy to mock US for doing bad things, at least as European they share a common cultural heritage. And yes, while they spy on their allies they are still allies with many European nations and their military support serves as a core pillar for many European nations' foreign policies.

China on the other hand, isn't allied with any European nations and seems to actively undermine freedom of speech and to suppress its citizens. Social credit score sounds good to you? So in the context of all things, yes US does still have a moral high ground. But I admit they surely could do a better job.

Re: Huawei reassesses goal to be world’s bestselling smartphone vendor

#117

Post by tomjen3 » Sun, Jun 02, 2019, 6:31 PM UTC

darkmarmot wrote: post #93

My company, roughly 400k employees and contractors, already sent security notices from the DOJ banning Hauwei, ZTE, etc. devices across the entire corporation. It effectively banned their phones from a not insignificant percentage of the population in one fell sweep.

What do you expect people to do? Go out and buy new phones at a cost that exceed what most people can afford (400 usd, assuming you are in the US).

Re: Huawei reassesses goal to be world’s bestselling smartphone vendor

#118

Post by 8note » Sun, Jun 02, 2019, 6:33 PM UTC

fishtacos wrote: post #53

vkou wrote: post #38

It's nice to see the government picking winners and losers in the market.

Precisely why it was important to make it illegal to do business which such an entity, Huawei. US business relies of trademark, patent, contract and license enforcement, which is where the government steps in. The Chinese gov't doesn't abide by any of these rules, nor do they enforce them, and subsequently Chinese companies are run the same way. That's not even getting in the espionage and the links between Huawei an…

If it's a better model for a company to follow, why shouldn't I as a consumer be able to buy from them?

the trademarks, patents, contracts, and license enforcements are broken, and China/Huawei shows how much better technology can be made without them. The free market chose Huawei, a company without patent and trade distortions

Re: Huawei reassesses goal to be world’s bestselling smartphone vendor

#119

Post by hahan_may » Sun, Jun 02, 2019, 6:33 PM UTC

trophycase wrote: post #78

ulfw wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's exactly it. The US is shooting itself in the foot. Because the message this sends to the bigger world is: don't get too successful or we will kill your business. The irony is that that is exactly what western companies blame China for.

Lol how is that in any way the message being sent, give me a break. This has way more to do with the fact they are Chinese and more or less state sponsored than it has to do with them "being successful"... I genuinely don't understand why people are so quick to defend China.

because people has hated U.S., ever since it rescued the world from the tyranny of nazis. It's human psychology.

Re: Huawei reassesses goal to be world’s bestselling smartphone vendor

#120

Post by hahan_may » Sun, Jun 02, 2019, 6:37 PM UTC

__m wrote: post #106

fishtacos wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Precisely why it was important to make it illegal to do business which such an entity, Huawei. US business relies of trademark, patent, contract and license enforcement, which is where the government steps in. The Chinese gov't doesn't abide by any of these rules, nor do they enforce them, and subsequently Chinese companies are run the same way. That's not even getting in the espionage and the links between Huawei an…

Historically the US didn’t abide by any of these rules either, importing and copying European IP. With China developing further you’ll see them more and more enforcing these rules especially against developing countries. For espionage you don’t even have to go back in time.

Historically US trade black people like livestocks. Does that justify the ongoing human trafficking/sex slave/forced labour in South east asian and eastern europe?