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Post by freeflight »

monocasa wrote: post #58
freeflight wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

20% of Five Eyes, but the UK only represents 1 out of 28 countries in the EU which is 3.57%, yet they should dictate what everybody else does? edit: Why the downvotes? As an EU citizen, I'm directly affected by this, and I very much do not like the idea of the EU towing the Five Eyes line to further fascilitate US foreign policy interests. We very much would like to make our own decisions in our own interests and not…

The EU is built around veto powers and allowing a single country to dictate things that are very important to them.

That's a tad bit simplified, in reality, single countries can be overruled, it just doesn't happen that often [0], but it still happens.

In that context, I doubt the EU is gonna let itself get dictated what to do by the UK, which is in the process of leaving said EU. It would be like eating your cake and still having it.

[0] https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/bvj3o7/eu_legislati...

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Post by goatsi »

dv_dt wrote: post #63
hubnditw wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Huawei is closely associated with the Chinese government. The Chinese government threatens democracies and good people everywhere with its concentration camps. Did Europe forget its concentration camps?

Europe would have a bigger case by the numbers to be concerned at the US then china. China incarcerates at an estimated 165/100k while the US at an reported 655/100k. The makeup of or prison population is skewed to certain minorities who are also more likely to go to prison vs the same charges to white suspects. So the US has made it’s “concentration” bland and bureaucratic- but the overall system is still monstrous.

>China incarcerates at an estimated 165/100k

Does that number include those in the concentration camps? China is refusing to give any numbers about them and classifies them as "vocational training centres" so they likely wouldn't show up under that statistic.

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Post by lugg »

briandear wrote: post #60
DocTomoe wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Huawei is closely associated with the Chinese government. ... and Google, Cisco, ... are closely associated with the American government ... > The Chinese government threatens democracies and good people everywhere with its concentration camps. As an European: Well, so does the United States. Turns out that being assholes to each others seems to be a human trait.

Putting people in re-education camps because of their ethnicity or religion isn’t the same as detaining illegal aliens. The US isn’t putting people in camps because of ethnicity or religion. Illegal aliens are in “camps” because they entered the US illegally. Drawing an equivalence between concentration camps (of the Nazi variety) and US immigration enforcement is ridiculous. If that difference can’t be discerned, th…

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Post by agumonkey »

DevX101 wrote: post #56

The long term impact of this Huawei dispute will be China building out a complete vertical communications/computing stack from low level chips to operating system to phone design. They won't get any market share in the U.S. but they'll dominate China (obv), India, Africa, and have some decent minority share in Europe. The ban is great for U.S. companies in the short term that are behind on 5G, but this will harm U.S.…

I thought Europe was frowning hard on huawei too

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Post by bad_user »

raverbashing wrote: post #59
liquidise wrote: post #46

I believe the true loser in this is Google. If i am any non us, android-reliant phone manufacturer, i am planning my exit strategy. Sure it won't come today or this year, but it is vital for companies to start to distance themselves from google licensing for their own betterment.

The reason Google won is that manufacturers were completely incompetent in coming up with their own phone OSs either because of technical lack of capability or internal politics MS could have had a chance, but they didn't have the vision and Android was the better choice (until now) to most manufacturers

The current issue is that Huawei is blacklisted due to US’s economic war.

Microsoft’s Windows Phone would have been no better, quite the contrary, at least you can fork Android, at least it supports alternative app stores.

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Post by dv_dt »

goatsi wrote: post #72
dv_dt wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Europe would have a bigger case by the numbers to be concerned at the US then china. China incarcerates at an estimated 165/100k while the US at an reported 655/100k. The makeup of or prison population is skewed to certain minorities who are also more likely to go to prison vs the same charges to white suspects. So the US has made it’s “concentration” bland and bureaucratic- but the overall system is still monstrous.

>China incarcerates at an estimated 165/100k Does that number include those in the concentration camps? China is refusing to give any numbers about them and classifies them as "vocational training centres" so they likely wouldn't show up under that statistic.

Thats why i chose the word estimate. The reported incarceration rate from China is 110/100k Iirc

Edit: 118

http://www.prisonstudies.org/country/china

The 165 comes from footnotes here. It may be a bit higher now, but would have to be massively higher to close in to the 4x higher US number.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarcera...

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Post by friedman23 »

liquidise wrote: post #46

I believe the true loser in this is Google. If i am any non us, android-reliant phone manufacturer, i am planning my exit strategy. Sure it won't come today or this year, but it is vital for companies to start to distance themselves from google licensing for their own betterment.

> Sure it won't come today or this year, but it is vital for companies to start to distance themselves from google licensing for their own betterment.

Which companies? Why would Samsung and other non-China based smartphone makers feel the need to do this?

Also switching away from Android because of the risk of being blacklisted by the US is akin to rebuilding the foundation of your house when it's built on mud. If you get blacklisted by the US losing access to android seems to be the least of your problems.

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Post by trophycase »

ulfw wrote: post #64
Mirioron wrote: post #22

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I wonder what the long-term implications will be on American businesses for this. Will non-US major companies be wary of relying on US suppliers?

That's exactly it. The US is shooting itself in the foot. Because the message this sends to the bigger world is: don't get too successful or we will kill your business. The irony is that that is exactly what western companies blame China for.

Lol how is that in any way the message being sent, give me a break. This has way more to do with the fact they are Chinese and more or less state sponsored than it has to do with them "being successful"... I genuinely don't understand why people are so quick to defend China.

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Post by friedman23 »

DevX101 wrote: post #56

The long term impact of this Huawei dispute will be China building out a complete vertical communications/computing stack from low level chips to operating system to phone design. They won't get any market share in the U.S. but they'll dominate China (obv), India, Africa, and have some decent minority share in Europe. The ban is great for U.S. companies in the short term that are behind on 5G, but this will harm U.S.…

> The long term impact of this Huawei dispute will be China building out a complete vertical communications/computing stack from low level chips to operating system to phone design.

Weren't they already doing this?

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Post by maratd »

dv_dt wrote: post #70
maratd wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pretty sure there's a big difference between being detained for an act and being detained for just existing.

The act of having their nations destabilized by the US?

I reject your premise?
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