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Re: The guy who made a tool to track women in porn videos is sorry

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Post by buckminster »

majkinetor wrote: post #12

Not sure how this relates to GDPR - the arguments are nonsensical. People tend to bump everything under GDPR now like its some form of gods commandment. If I simply sit in the cafe watching someone continuously near me, I am collecting data, and nobody can do anything about it. When you leave your home, your privacy is gone. When you make anything public your privacy is gone. Not sure anything is ethically wrong with…

If you sit in a cafe continuously staring at someone you will probably be asked to leave and never come back. Try it some time.

Re: The guy who made a tool to track women in porn videos is sorry

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Post by bitL »

Bypassing the stupid issue of harassing actresses by likely teenagers, isn't a husband-to-be right to know about the past of his fiancee? Is the moral right of not being outed outweighing the moral right of not being deceived in a very important matter? Where is the line?

Re: The guy who made a tool to track women in porn videos is sorry

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Post by jakobegger »

rmdashrfstar wrote: post #31
orthoxerox wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you are already a criminal, you aren't worried about the lack of a permit that much. Especially when you are a cybercriminal separated from your server by multiple cryptocurrency tumblers. Forward intelligence teams already record the faces of people taking part in peaceful and legal protests. You can bet your ass they cross-ref the feed with their Linkedin and Facebook data dumps. The same tech is now becoming av…

This is something so many people do not seem to understand: if you ban something, you only prevent law abiding citizens from using it, it won't stop the law breakers who were going to use it regardless of what the law says. There are people who DDOS video game servers in the US as to not lose the game, even though it's a felony.

> you only prevent law abiding citizens from using it

Most people are law abiding citizens most of the time, so laws are not pointless.

And laws typically give us a way to come after those who violate the law.

Sure, laws won't fix a problem once and for all, but if they can reduce the problem by 90% they are a big win.

Re: The guy who made a tool to track women in porn videos is sorry

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Post by majkinetor »

geezerjay wrote: post #18
majkinetor wrote: post #12

Not sure how this relates to GDPR - the arguments are nonsensical. People tend to bump everything under GDPR now like its some form of gods commandment. If I simply sit in the cafe watching someone continuously near me, I am collecting data, and nobody can do anything about it. When you leave your home, your privacy is gone. When you make anything public your privacy is gone. Not sure anything is ethically wrong with…

> Not sure how this relates to GDPR GDPR states that the lawful basis for processing of data depends, among other things, on: * the individual's explicit consent to the processing of his or her personal data. * protecting the vital interests of a data subject or another individual This violates both criteria, thus is indirect violation of the GDPR.

* Face is not considered personal data AFAIK

* What the heck is vital interest ? For person playing in a movie it may as well be that everybody watch it.

Re: The guy who made a tool to track women in porn videos is sorry

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Post by Youcandothis »

kabwj wrote: post #30

Why should pornography actors not have responsibilities for what they do? I don’t agree with this part where people who 1) put their faces in pornography and 2) put their faces in social media should not expect the two things to be correlated. Especially since the technology has already existed for some time and it cannot be stopped. Are we looking for regulation here? Is that exactly what we want, going back to cryp…

> Why should pornography actors not have responsibilities for what they do?

They should have a right for privacy.

Re: The guy who made a tool to track women in porn videos is sorry

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Post by jobigoud »

Aengeuad wrote: post #20
majkinetor wrote: post #12

Not sure how this relates to GDPR - the arguments are nonsensical. People tend to bump everything under GDPR now like its some form of gods commandment. If I simply sit in the cafe watching someone continuously near me, I am collecting data, and nobody can do anything about it. When you leave your home, your privacy is gone. When you make anything public your privacy is gone. Not sure anything is ethically wrong with…

This has everything to do with the GDPR because the GDPR outlines the conditions you need to meet to process data, simply put actually gathering the data and using this tool is not legal within the EU. >If I simply sit in the cafe watching someone continuously near me, I am collecting data, and nobody can do anything about it. But the tool is doing more than that as it's also using data gathered from crawling social…

Does GDPR applies to third party users of a website? Does it cover use of public data by other visitors or just use of private data by the site owner?

Re: The guy who made a tool to track women in porn videos is sorry

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Post by UncleEntity »

close04 wrote: post #35
phkahler wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> An engineer can quit if the project is unethical. Is creating face recognition software unethical? Your answer is not really important, just the fact that different people will classify this differently. I thought it was creepy as f * when facebook started wanting to automatically tag people in photos. But if that's all the tech was for it may well be ethical, if creepy to some. And yet, face recognition is really…

A while ago I suggested that engineers could have an ethics code just like lawyers or doctors and the opinion wasn’t very popular (although with no explicitly stated reason). I still don’t see a reason not to have one. If your company is selling your code and software to abusive states and it’s used to persecute journalists (for example) continuing to do that work there is no different than any unethical work from a…

Problem with that is anyone with a little python-fu can hack together something like this without being an "engineer". I could probably do it using "ethical" FLOSS code and I'm pretty far from being employed in the industry. Hell, if I did do something like this and someone complained to my company they'd probably promote me since our IT dept is iffy on the best of days.

Re: The guy who made a tool to track women in porn videos is sorry

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Post by majkinetor »

Aengeuad wrote: post #20
majkinetor wrote: post #12

Not sure how this relates to GDPR - the arguments are nonsensical. People tend to bump everything under GDPR now like its some form of gods commandment. If I simply sit in the cafe watching someone continuously near me, I am collecting data, and nobody can do anything about it. When you leave your home, your privacy is gone. When you make anything public your privacy is gone. Not sure anything is ethically wrong with…

This has everything to do with the GDPR because the GDPR outlines the conditions you need to meet to process data, simply put actually gathering the data and using this tool is not legal within the EU. >If I simply sit in the cafe watching someone continuously near me, I am collecting data, and nobody can do anything about it. But the tool is doing more than that as it's also using data gathered from crawling social…

> the right to opt out and the right to erasure of data among others.

Algorythm doesn't have to collect any data on you besides your image which is not considered private data given that you need to carry one. It can have single image and compare it to the porn collection without storing any results anywhere, but just returning 'XXX was a porn star in YYY'.

Tool can also create opt out mechanism which would have to be pretty complex as providing ZZZ in the name blacklist isn't appropriate solution given that many people share this name.

> But the tool is doing more than that as it's also using data gathered from crawling social media profiles and then matching people, you cannot do this without specific consent under

Implementation detail. This can be totally avoided. Tool can accept picture and return the result.

Re: The guy who made a tool to track women in porn videos is sorry

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Post by majkinetor »

buckminster wrote: post #41
majkinetor wrote: post #12

Not sure how this relates to GDPR - the arguments are nonsensical. People tend to bump everything under GDPR now like its some form of gods commandment. If I simply sit in the cafe watching someone continuously near me, I am collecting data, and nobody can do anything about it. When you leave your home, your privacy is gone. When you make anything public your privacy is gone. Not sure anything is ethically wrong with…

If you sit in a cafe continuously staring at someone you will probably be asked to leave and never come back. Try it some time.

Your failure as an alpha male could be deduced based on this sentence. Try to be little more subtle next time. Tip: use peripheral vision. :)

Re: The guy who made a tool to track women in porn videos is sorry

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Post by close04 »

UncleEntity wrote: post #47
close04 wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A while ago I suggested that engineers could have an ethics code just like lawyers or doctors and the opinion wasn’t very popular (although with no explicitly stated reason). I still don’t see a reason not to have one. If your company is selling your code and software to abusive states and it’s used to persecute journalists (for example) continuing to do that work there is no different than any unethical work from a…

Problem with that is anyone with a little python-fu can hack together something like this without being an "engineer". I could probably do it using "ethical" FLOSS code and I'm pretty far from being employed in the industry. Hell, if I did do something like this and someone complained to my company they'd probably promote me since our IT dept is iffy on the best of days.

Sure, the “home-made” option is hard to regulate in any field. You also can’t stop people from using hone remedies no matter how unethical they are. So you can take it and use it with little recourse.

But I was thinking more at FAANG for example. They could be required to hire “certified ethical” engineers at least on sensitive projects at first. This means that even if the code is out there no coder would implement it in the company’s solution without risking losing the “certification” and the job. Anyone working for the Hacking Team (those guys selling exploits to oppressive governments) should be more or less unhireable especially if all code in a company’s portfolio should be traceable to a specific engineer.

The principle is already in place for other fields. Journalism being the closest probably. It could be made more effective if needed. It’s obvious that something is needed in this direction.

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