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Re: India heatwave temperatures pass 50 Celsius

#101
post #24

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Go ahead and down vote. It remains a fact that Rajasthan crosses 50 degrees celsius every summer.

The 50.8°C temperature is the highest-ever recorded temperature in Rajasthan. The previous time it went over 50°C was in May 2016. So no, it is not "normal" temperatures and it is not a fact that they go that high every year.

So, then it becomes "normal" for now.

Re: India heatwave temperatures pass 50 Celsius

#102

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People are mobile. What would actually happen would be the biggest refugee crisis the world has ever seen. Imagine tens of millions of climate refugees at the border of many different countries, and the choice is to let them in and take care of them or let them die right there. It's not a good situation to be in. Realistically speaking, with that many people, good luck keeping them out.

I remember reading a sci-fi story back in the 80's (damn I wish I could remember the name) where that basically happened, Europe and the US fortified their borders (massive walls/fences, automated weapon systems, usual sci-fi fare) and left the rest of the world to it's own devices. I was only a kid and I remember thinking "I can't imagine that ever happening" then I look at the refugee camps in EU states (Greece par…

If some of the worse projections become true and large stretches of land become uninhabitable or very inhospitable my money is on the US deploying semi-automated machine gun turrets along the border wall: the turrets will have automated target aquisition and tracking but a minimum-wage border patrol agent in an office in Austin will have to confirm the kill decision. It will be about as controversial as the drone program. Meanwhile in the EU the discussion will be around the coast guard shooting African refugee ships instead of rescuing them.

The only real winner will be Russia: they can just absorb all the refugees from South Asia and use them to populate then-inhabitable Syberia.

Re: India heatwave temperatures pass 50 Celsius

#103

This has been the case almost every year this decade in India. Also, it is quite common for the government departments to fudge data and report temperatures > 50 Celsius as 49.x to avoid halting work / paying extra to those working under the Sun because there are regulations concerning this. Edit: I got to know about this practice being rampant through an activist in the South who is well versed with the labour laws.

>regulations concerning this

Never heard of this. Do you have a source?

Re: India heatwave temperatures pass 50 Celsius

#104
post #26

If this happens frequently enough in sufficiently populated areas, then the resulting population die-off will eventually reduce the energy need and resulting carbon outlet and things may stabilize. Sucks for the people involved. But globally speaking, it may not be so bad.

By that logic anything which kills mass population is "not so bad". Why not just bomb cities. Infact if you read it as a response to "world wars", though not intended, that way of thinking justify that.

It depends on your view of the world I guess. In my view, humans are not special. We have no inherent right to live on this planet compared to other animals. Why should we not die off and let other creatures live? Only selfishness (and our cognitive ability to have it), enables; I want to live. Humans are not special (except for currently being at the top of the food-chain). We have reached our biological population limit. And it needs to go down. And even if it goes to zero, the universe won't care. We are just another species and we are about to go extinct, like so many before us. Unless drastic measures are taken. But the only ones who will care are still us, the humans. Maybe we just shouldn't, and die out and let some other, better suited, organism take over. Or none at all. In the end it doesn't actually matter...

Re: India heatwave temperatures pass 50 Celsius

#105
post #91

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I think you have made your position completely clear. You first please.

Me first what ? I don't get what you are saying / you don't make any sense to me. I'm glad I have apparently made my point clear. But what is yours?? And please don't pull that bogus racist card again. Race has got nothing to do with any of my comments.

I never said it did. However for my views on people using the term 'race card' please see my replies to tinus_hn.

Now this isn't personal to you specifically, however in regard to your query, Me first what?, I have long thought that people who advocate the benefits of depopulation by mass die-off, should generally lead by example.

Re: India heatwave temperatures pass 50 Celsius

#106

I am observing it in my farm where I have installed precision agri devices from Fasal ( https://fasal.co ). Fortunately, during this period there wasn't any active crop. Showing new crop now.

>Fasal

>Founders: Ananda Verma and Shailendra Tiwari

No self-promotion, please. At least keep it relevant.

Re: India heatwave temperatures pass 50 Celsius

#107
post #90

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At current numbers, the effect on our own society from our own reaction has cause much more damage to ourselves than the effects from the refugees themselves. I suspect you may be right that the popular option will be to close the border. I do not agree however, that it is the better option.

It’s caused a divide because the number of current economic refugees is relatively small. Thus many people thought it was possible to have them stay in the first world. Hence the divide in public opinion. But I believe that if the estimates are right, the number of climate refugees will be so high that people will more or less agree that it’s better to close the border in that situation.

>the number of current economic refugees is relatively small

Interesting way to describe people fleeing war.

Re: India heatwave temperatures pass 50 Celsius

#108

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"The thermometer hit 50.6 degrees [...] in the Rajasthan desert city of Churu." Churu has 120k inhabitants, you can call that a population center.

Just as a note, you can put a pin in Any random location in India and it'll be 80% a village or town with a good amount of people living. A train ride through the nation in any non-national park route would show that you very rarelt see a stretch of land go more than a few miles without a couple houses.

120k people is definitely not 80% of the map.

Re: India heatwave temperatures pass 50 Celsius

#109
I think humidity is a big problem in a lot of places in India with high temperature. In my village in easter UP in India, summer was intolerable because of high humidity and shortage of electricity. (We used to have 8hours electricity per day, but sometimes outages would happen and would go unrepaired for week to month). It was impossible to do anything but take a hand fan and use it to cool yourself. A lot of the time thus went wasted in doing this completely un productive work.

Now that I live in a place with somewhat better weather and 24x7 electricity, I feel what a privilege it is. It pains me to see a large fraction of humanity has to spend a large portion of their time using a hand fan for survival.

Re: India heatwave temperatures pass 50 Celsius

#110

This has been the case almost every year this decade in India. Also, it is quite common for the government departments to fudge data and report temperatures > 50 Celsius as 49.x to avoid halting work / paying extra to those working under the Sun because there are regulations concerning this. Edit: I got to know about this practice being rampant through an activist in the South who is well versed with the labour laws.

I have never heard of this. In my experience, in central India, the district officials in many places are overactive in declaring daytime curfews when the temperature passes 45.
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