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Re: The guy who made a tool to track women in porn videos is sorry

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It's things like this that make me think all engineers need more training on the social consequences of the tools they build. This is an extreme case and I hope most engineers would look at this and understand how awful & damaging it could be; but given our influence on the world nowadays (as a class, if not always as individuals) we really need to be much more aware of what we're doing and how it affects people.

I agree, but I don’t think education will end up solving the problem. Somewhere out there, there is a sociopathic engineer that will make antisocial choices anyway. Software is so easy to copy that it proliferates too easily.

If a mechanical engineer creates some evil weapon, say a gun that shoots frozen mercury slugs (just to make up a ridiculous example), we don’t really have to worry about the proliferation of cryogenic weapons. When a software engineer pushes some questionable program’s source to github it’s game over.

Re: The guy who made a tool to track women in porn videos is sorry

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The problem is that engineers are not always the ones in charge of the entire end result. If you want to do something unethical you can just split it up into harmless individual tasks and give it to a dozen engineers and then put it all together. It’s obfuscation. Some of the greatest atrocities we will see in tech (and we will see them) in the coming century will be the result of combining things created with good i…

An engineer can quit if the project is unethical. Just 'enduring' is harmful to yourself, and others. Don't be a coward, at least stand up for your values.

>> An engineer can quit if the project is unethical.

Is creating face recognition software unethical? Your answer is not really important, just the fact that different people will classify this differently. I thought it was creepy as f* when facebook started wanting to automatically tag people in photos. But if that's all the tech was for it may well be ethical, if creepy to some. And yet, face recognition is really all that was used in this case - matching up porn images with social media ones.

Re: The guy who made a tool to track women in porn videos is sorry

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Russian imageboards found VK profiles of quite a few porn actresses and prostitutes using findface.ru. Of course, they immediately started harrassing them and sending messages to everyone in their friends list. However, ethics aside, the cat is out of the bag. People can shame the guy into deleting the data, but computing power will only get cheaper and data matchers faster. Sooner or later some will do this again an…

Yes, but that shoudln't prevent society to also make those particular use of tech very costly. It should be consider like holding a concealed weapon: you need a permit, or you get jail time. Permit should not be hard to get, as long as you can justify professional or research need. But letting this go is creating a society I don't want to live it. I already hate, living my anonymous life, when some stranger take my p…

How is this possibly enforceable though? The software is already out there and available. In countries that restrict guns, it's often quite hard to get one outside the legal channels (if there are any), so enforcement is pretty effective. But for something you can just download??

Re: The guy who made a tool to track women in porn videos is sorry

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Russian imageboards found VK profiles of quite a few porn actresses and prostitutes using findface.ru. Of course, they immediately started harrassing them and sending messages to everyone in their friends list. However, ethics aside, the cat is out of the bag. People can shame the guy into deleting the data, but computing power will only get cheaper and data matchers faster. Sooner or later some will do this again an…

Yes, but that shoudln't prevent society to also make those particular use of tech very costly. It should be consider like holding a concealed weapon: you need a permit, or you get jail time. Permit should not be hard to get, as long as you can justify professional or research need. But letting this go is creating a society I don't want to live it. I already hate, living my anonymous life, when some stranger take my p…

I think that probably these things could even get completely prevented if people acted more consciously. It starts with DNS providers and hosters who should be aware of what people are doing with their services and shut them down if they aren't ethically good.

Probably Telcos and especially also CDNs should do the same. I don't talk about any packet inspection. But sometimes it's obvious what people are up to.

Basically everybody in society can do something against this by not looking away. Also more diversity in tech would have prevented a lot of malicious uses I think.

Re: The guy who made a tool to track women in porn videos is sorry

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Russian imageboards found VK profiles of quite a few porn actresses and prostitutes using findface.ru. Of course, they immediately started harrassing them and sending messages to everyone in their friends list. However, ethics aside, the cat is out of the bag. People can shame the guy into deleting the data, but computing power will only get cheaper and data matchers faster. Sooner or later some will do this again an…

Yes, but that shoudln't prevent society to also make those particular use of tech very costly. It should be consider like holding a concealed weapon: you need a permit, or you get jail time. Permit should not be hard to get, as long as you can justify professional or research need. But letting this go is creating a society I don't want to live it. I already hate, living my anonymous life, when some stranger take my p…

If you are already a criminal, you aren't worried about the lack of a permit that much. Especially when you are a cybercriminal separated from your server by multiple cryptocurrency tumblers.

Forward intelligence teams already record the faces of people taking part in peaceful and legal protests. You can bet your ass they cross-ref the feed with their Linkedin and Facebook data dumps. The same tech is now becoming available to everyone.

The USA can prevent its people from putting an M2 on their truck. Mexico can't (in some states). Syria can't (almost anywhere). The internet is closer to Mexico than the US.

Re: The guy who made a tool to track women in porn videos is sorry

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, but that shoudln't prevent society to also make those particular use of tech very costly. It should be consider like holding a concealed weapon: you need a permit, or you get jail time. Permit should not be hard to get, as long as you can justify professional or research need. But letting this go is creating a society I don't want to live it. I already hate, living my anonymous life, when some stranger take my p…

How is this possibly enforceable though? The software is already out there and available. In countries that restrict guns, it's often quite hard to get one outside the legal channels (if there are any), so enforcement is pretty effective. But for something you can just download??

Not just download, but write yourself in a short time. And the code could be shared, and I’d guess you can build a decent system to do this in a few hundred lines.

It’s a ridiculous proposition to restrict software access, akin to making it illegal to write on paper.

Re: The guy who made a tool to track women in porn videos is sorry

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Russian imageboards found VK profiles of quite a few porn actresses and prostitutes using findface.ru. Of course, they immediately started harrassing them and sending messages to everyone in their friends list. However, ethics aside, the cat is out of the bag. People can shame the guy into deleting the data, but computing power will only get cheaper and data matchers faster. Sooner or later some will do this again an…

Yes, but that shoudln't prevent society to also make those particular use of tech very costly. It should be consider like holding a concealed weapon: you need a permit, or you get jail time. Permit should not be hard to get, as long as you can justify professional or research need. But letting this go is creating a society I don't want to live it. I already hate, living my anonymous life, when some stranger take my p…

Yes, absolutely. First criminal would be governments, who spy and track their own citizens with impunity.

Re: The guy who made a tool to track women in porn videos is sorry

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Why should pornography actors not have responsibilities for what they do? I don’t agree with this part where people who 1) put their faces in pornography and 2) put their faces in social media should not expect the two things to be correlated. Especially since the technology has already existed for some time and it cannot be stopped. Are we looking for regulation here? Is that exactly what we want, going back to cryptography export laws?
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