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Re: India heatwave temperatures pass 50 Celsius

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gingabriska wrote: post #49
noir_lord wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep I think mass migration is inevitable. Given the absolute mess migration was out of Syria into Europe (and that was comparatively minor) I think it's going to be unpleasant. Once it starts it'll snowball as well instead of an orderly evacuation it'll be pell-mell. Sometimes think it would be nice to have a single rational world government so that we could deal with these things on a species level. Of course if we…

Can anyone guess where will the first wave of climate change refugees will be from and where they'll be heading too?

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Re: India heatwave temperatures pass 50 Celsius

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Post by ramraj07 »

arnaudsm wrote: post #48
jessriedel wrote: post #38

The 50 C number was observed in a desert. Death Valley, California, also a desert, spend 5 consecutive days above 54 C in 1913, the year it set the temperature record of 56.7 C.

"The thermometer hit 50.6 degrees [...] in the Rajasthan desert city of Churu." Churu has 120k inhabitants, you can call that a population center.

Just as a note, you can put a pin in Any random location in India and it'll be 80% a village or town with a good amount of people living. A train ride through the nation in any non-national park route would show that you very rarelt see a stretch of land go more than a few miles without a couple houses.

Re: India heatwave temperatures pass 50 Celsius

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Post by kabwj »

inflatableDodo wrote: post #56
Tepix wrote: post #18

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They will turn into refugees. That's part of why we expect hundreds of millions of climate refugees in the coming decades.

Been telling people for a while, if we think the amount of refugees from our wars is bad, just wait till you see the number arriving due to the fuel we burn. Though given our reaction to the current wave of refugees, we will blame the refugees for their own predicament and probably George Soros, as is tradition, long before we accept any blame ourselves.

Or we will simply not accept the refugees. As you said at current numbers it’s been really bad. At much higher numbers it will simply be a better and more popular option to close the border.

Re: India heatwave temperatures pass 50 Celsius

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Post by CydeWeys »

noir_lord wrote: post #66
CydeWeys wrote: post #50

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This has been a plot of quite a few novels, so I'm struggling to come up with that exact one (if I've even read it). Off the top of my head, Children of Men is similar.

It definitely wasn't Children of Men, I read so much pulp sci-fi back then it all blurred (except for the stand out stuff like Iain M Banks - I still remember exactly where I was when I read Consider Phlebas - At the caravan park near Pevensey Bay in 1989, book was a birthday present).

Stand on Zanzibar deals with overpopulation too, but that's probably not it either (it's not a central plot point).

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Post by inapis »

jjuhl wrote: post #54
gingabriska wrote: post #42

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It's not surprising that people are unable to sympathize with people who they've never seen. I suggest you travel through India and you'll realize how mistaken you are, sometimes the carbon emission of a village with 100 members is less than a typical American household, specially now when LPG is rolling out even in the remotest and poorest families.

For the record; I've travelled in India and parts of Africa. That's not the point. The point is simply biology. If we reduce our population sufficiently (by whatever means), then the effects we have on the global climate may start to wear off. This is just one example of how we are reaching a limit and our species is starting to die off as a result. Given enough such situations our species may eventually reach a sust…

Wiping out a 100k population does not have the same effect as wiping out a 10k population which also consumes and emits 10x.

Climate change due to population is not a simple numbers reduction game.

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Post by yardie »

gingabriska wrote: post #49
noir_lord wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep I think mass migration is inevitable. Given the absolute mess migration was out of Syria into Europe (and that was comparatively minor) I think it's going to be unpleasant. Once it starts it'll snowball as well instead of an orderly evacuation it'll be pell-mell. Sometimes think it would be nice to have a single rational world government so that we could deal with these things on a species level. Of course if we…

Can anyone guess where will the first wave of climate change refugees will be from and where they'll be heading too?

Low lying islands like the Maldives will be first. But the population is relatively small. You already have climate refugees in Africa. The Sahara is spreading south. Destroying lives of those that live on the subsaharan border. They flee to neighbouring countries and eventually Europe. The major concern is countries like Bangladesh. It’s a low coastal country with a huge population.

Re: India heatwave temperatures pass 50 Celsius

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Post by noir_lord »

pferde wrote: post #65
noir_lord wrote: post #37

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Yep I think mass migration is inevitable. Given the absolute mess migration was out of Syria into Europe (and that was comparatively minor) I think it's going to be unpleasant. Once it starts it'll snowball as well instead of an orderly evacuation it'll be pell-mell. Sometimes think it would be nice to have a single rational world government so that we could deal with these things on a species level. Of course if we…

I fully agree with you, but thought that the words "out of Syria" are not really reflecting reality. According to Wikipedia[1], only about a third of the migrants originated in Syria. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_migrant_crisis#Statis...

That's true but it is referred to colloquially as "The Syrian Crisis" here, in any case I don't what the solution is, I deeply admire the Germans for what they did though.

Taking 1.5 million migrants with a population of 82 million, if the UK (my country) had done the same ratio that would have been 1.2 million, best figure I can find for UK is One thing I do wonder is what western culture will look like in a hundred years if the world bank figures are right (140-200 million displaced people).

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Post by adrianN »

vbezhenar wrote: post #53
lotsofpulp wrote: post #41

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Assuming they can afford the air conditioners and electricity and electric grid.

Affording air conditioner probably the same like affording warm house in cold climate.

I think you underestimate the poverty of the average Indian.

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Post by inflatableDodo »

jjuhl wrote: post #31
dependsontheq wrote: post #28

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Would you write the same thing about Houston or Paris? If not it’s just racist.

Why not? I just said "sufficient populated areas". That does not mean only India. Nothing racist about it. I mean, globally speaking, wiping out New York City and all the people in it would also provide a benefit.

I think you have made your position completely clear. You first please.
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