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India heatwave temperatures pass 50 Celsius

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Re: India heatwave temperatures pass 50 Celsius

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If this happens frequently enough in sufficiently populated areas, then the resulting population die-off will eventually reduce the energy need and resulting carbon outlet and things may stabilize. Sucks for the people involved. But globally speaking, it may not be so bad.

Probably those people would install more air-conditioners and that would increase energy needs.

Assuming they can afford the air conditioners and electricity and electric grid.

Re: India heatwave temperatures pass 50 Celsius

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post #26

If this happens frequently enough in sufficiently populated areas, then the resulting population die-off will eventually reduce the energy need and resulting carbon outlet and things may stabilize. Sucks for the people involved. But globally speaking, it may not be so bad.

It's not surprising that people are unable to sympathize with people who they've never seen.

I suggest you travel through India and you'll realize how mistaken you are, sometimes the carbon emission of a village with 100 members is less than a typical American household, specially now when LPG is rolling out even in the remotest and poorest families.

Re: India heatwave temperatures pass 50 Celsius

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post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They will turn into refugees. That's part of why we expect hundreds of millions of climate refugees in the coming decades.

Yep I think mass migration is inevitable. Given the absolute mess migration was out of Syria into Europe (and that was comparatively minor) I think it's going to be unpleasant. Once it starts it'll snowball as well instead of an orderly evacuation it'll be pell-mell. Sometimes think it would be nice to have a single rational world government so that we could deal with these things on a species level. Of course if we…

> Of course if we had a single rational world government for any length of time we wouldn't be in this mess.

No, you would be in another mess.

Re: India heatwave temperatures pass 50 Celsius

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post #26

If this happens frequently enough in sufficiently populated areas, then the resulting population die-off will eventually reduce the energy need and resulting carbon outlet and things may stabilize. Sucks for the people involved. But globally speaking, it may not be so bad.

If a 'die-off' happens at large scale within a country that has nuclear weapons, everyone on the planet could be involved. For example, they could make a unilateral decision to detonate nuclear bombs on the surface of the earth to throw up particulates and cool things down. That would 'suck' for everyone if it didn't work as expected.

Re: India heatwave temperatures pass 50 Celsius

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If this happens frequently enough in sufficiently populated areas, then the resulting population die-off will eventually reduce the energy need and resulting carbon outlet and things may stabilize. Sucks for the people involved. But globally speaking, it may not be so bad.

People are mobile. What would actually happen would be the biggest refugee crisis the world has ever seen. Imagine tens of millions of climate refugees at the border of many different countries, and the choice is to let them in and take care of them or let them die right there. It's not a good situation to be in. Realistically speaking, with that many people, good luck keeping them out.

I remember reading a sci-fi story back in the 80's (damn I wish I could remember the name) where that basically happened, Europe and the US fortified their borders (massive walls/fences, automated weapon systems, usual sci-fi fare) and left the rest of the world to it's own devices.

I was only a kid and I remember thinking "I can't imagine that ever happening" then I look at the refugee camps in EU states (Greece particularly) and it doesn't seem so far fetched.

Trump and his wall as well.

Re: India heatwave temperatures pass 50 Celsius

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These temperatures in high humidity can be deadly even to healthy and fit humans as our bodies are left without a way to cool down. Currently, they have humidity around 10-20% so it affects the most vulnerable, but global warming may lead to making parts of the world literally deadly to every human being... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wet-bulb_temperature The wet-bulb temperature (WBT) is the temperature read by a…

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Re: India heatwave temperatures pass 50 Celsius

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The 50 C number was observed in a desert. Death Valley, California, also a desert, spend 5 consecutive days above 54 C in 1913, the year it set the temperature record of 56.7 C.

Actually it's also bad in densely populated areas where the bitumin starts melting and sticks to your car tyres and shoes.

I traveled there.

Re: India heatwave temperatures pass 50 Celsius

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The 50 C number was observed in a desert. Death Valley, California, also a desert, spend 5 consecutive days above 54 C in 1913, the year it set the temperature record of 56.7 C.

"The thermometer hit 50.6 degrees [...] in the Rajasthan desert city of Churu."

Churu has 120k inhabitants, you can call that a population center.

Re: India heatwave temperatures pass 50 Celsius

#49
post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They will turn into refugees. That's part of why we expect hundreds of millions of climate refugees in the coming decades.

Yep I think mass migration is inevitable. Given the absolute mess migration was out of Syria into Europe (and that was comparatively minor) I think it's going to be unpleasant. Once it starts it'll snowball as well instead of an orderly evacuation it'll be pell-mell. Sometimes think it would be nice to have a single rational world government so that we could deal with these things on a species level. Of course if we…

Can anyone guess where will the first wave of climate change refugees will be from and where they'll be heading too?

Re: India heatwave temperatures pass 50 Celsius

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

People are mobile. What would actually happen would be the biggest refugee crisis the world has ever seen. Imagine tens of millions of climate refugees at the border of many different countries, and the choice is to let them in and take care of them or let them die right there. It's not a good situation to be in. Realistically speaking, with that many people, good luck keeping them out.

I remember reading a sci-fi story back in the 80's (damn I wish I could remember the name) where that basically happened, Europe and the US fortified their borders (massive walls/fences, automated weapon systems, usual sci-fi fare) and left the rest of the world to it's own devices. I was only a kid and I remember thinking "I can't imagine that ever happening" then I look at the refugee camps in EU states (Greece par…

This has been a plot of quite a few novels, so I'm struggling to come up with that exact one (if I've even read it). Off the top of my head, Children of Men is similar.
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