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Carrier Group in Recent UFO Encounters Had New Air Defense Tech

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Re: Carrier Group in Recent UFO Encounters Had New Air Defense Tech

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Post by slim »

deepnotderp wrote: post #67
svd4anything wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We will likely never know since these things are so far beyond our ability to capture or analyze, but my theory at least doesn't break physics. I’m not sure about that. For sake of discussion assume they are self replicating Von Neumann probes [1] from an ET civilization, interesting something serious scientists would predict we might find as first evidence. We do now have working high energy laser weapons. I would…

Yes, let's shoot at something that's sent from a civilization with technology incomprehensibly more advanced than ours. Great idea, I'm sure they won't be able to annihilate us in a few seconds.

violence is also the most basic form of communication

Re: Carrier Group in Recent UFO Encounters Had New Air Defense Tech

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Post by svd4anything »

deepnotderp wrote: post #67
svd4anything wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We will likely never know since these things are so far beyond our ability to capture or analyze, but my theory at least doesn't break physics. I’m not sure about that. For sake of discussion assume they are self replicating Von Neumann probes [1] from an ET civilization, interesting something serious scientists would predict we might find as first evidence. We do now have working high energy laser weapons. I would…

Yes, let's shoot at something that's sent from a civilization with technology incomprehensibly more advanced than ours. Great idea, I'm sure they won't be able to annihilate us in a few seconds.

I know at first when I read the Russians are already shooting at them, I had your reaction. However after thinking about it more, assuming they are ET origin, the probe hypothesis is very likely, it’s basically what we would do once we could. In which case they would probably be robotic/AI/nonliving and unarmed, so imagine what we could learn if we could take a look at them.

Re: Carrier Group in Recent UFO Encounters Had New Air Defense Tech

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Post by dnadler »

spookybones wrote: post #16

When the stealth bomber was top secret and still being tested, most of the army, air force, and navy was unaware of it. Something flying at such a high altitude was considered impossible. Naturally, Air Force fighter pilots were some of the first to observe it, and some of those pilots wondered out loud if it was an alien encounter. No one at Area 51 corrected them. So, this could be a similar scenario. It could even…

I read recently that there was one pilot who made visual contact. He described the object as a cube inside a sphere, which sounds a bit like the plasma cloaking theory described above. I'll try to find the link.

Re: Carrier Group in Recent UFO Encounters Had New Air Defense Tech

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Post by instantwhat »

maxander wrote: post #61
instantwhat wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That makes no sense. Testimony from the pilots who intercepted the object indicates the object demonstrated awareness of their presence. Watch this video of a U.S. Navy F/A-18 squadron commander (not an average military pilot) who intercepted one of the objects and engaged in aerial maneuvers with it. He describes intercepting the object, flying about one mile away from it, with the object demonstrating awareness of…

It makes perfect sense- in the same way that your reflection in a mirror "demonstrates awareness of your presence." An illusion generated by a sensor glitch or interference is entirely liable to move around when the sensors and interference moves around, and flight computers tracking the glitch would plausibly show it "performing maneuvers" that make no sense for physical objects, such as the ones you describe.

> It makes perfect sense- in the same way that your reflection in a mirror "demonstrates awareness of your presence."

The commander in the video did not describe it as being like a reflection. Why don't you watch his 6-minute testimony and then offer an informed opinion?

> flight computers tracking the glitch would plausibly show it "performing maneuvers" that make no sense for physical objects, such as the ones you describe.

This is an example of "coming up with less-extraordinary theories that contradict the evidence," as gfodor said[1], because you have asserted "glitches" in "flight computers" and ignored the pilots' eyeballs, which corroborated the radar contacts that had been observed over several days.

1: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20072598

Re: Carrier Group in Recent UFO Encounters Had New Air Defense Tech

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Post by Steel_Phoenix »

exabrial wrote: post #69
gfodor wrote: post #50

Skepticism means positing alternative theories that explain the evidence, not coming up with less-extraordinary theories that contradict the evidence, which is what most of the threads here do. Super intelligent AI certainly seems plausible as a thing which could exist. Fusion powered sub-light speed autonomous drones certainly seems like a thing which could exist. Any super intelligent AI would take actions to ensur…

> are a autonomous surveillance and intervention system > they are subluminal since we're talking crazy theories... how do they defeat the speed of causality to relay information back home?

Anyone capable of sending such a thing would have more than one home, plenty of time to respond, and likely some kind of automated military hub every X light years as an early response force. We certainly would if we could.

Re: Carrier Group in Recent UFO Encounters Had New Air Defense Tech

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Post by gingabriska »

blincoln wrote: post #42
instantwhat wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That makes no sense. Testimony from the pilots who intercepted the object indicates the object demonstrated awareness of their presence. Watch this video of a U.S. Navy F/A-18 squadron commander (not an average military pilot) who intercepted one of the objects and engaged in aerial maneuvers with it. He describes intercepting the object, flying about one mile away from it, with the object demonstrating awareness of…

> the object demonstrated awareness of their presence That's certainly one interpretation. > with the object demonstrating awareness of his presence by mirroring his maneuvers. Then he flew aggressively at it, and the object responded by rapidly flying away. Sounds exactly like the historical reports of "foo fighters" to me.[1] Look, I love the idea of aliens, but try to apply Occam's Razor here. What's less complica…

>b) An advanced, spacefaring race (or races) travel to Earth and spend over 70 years pulling pranks on military pilots.

70years might not be that long for them if they are on mission across galaxies, they are operating on different timeframes.

Re: Carrier Group in Recent UFO Encounters Had New Air Defense Tech

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Post by gfodor »

exabrial wrote: post #69
gfodor wrote: post #50

Skepticism means positing alternative theories that explain the evidence, not coming up with less-extraordinary theories that contradict the evidence, which is what most of the threads here do. Super intelligent AI certainly seems plausible as a thing which could exist. Fusion powered sub-light speed autonomous drones certainly seems like a thing which could exist. Any super intelligent AI would take actions to ensur…

> are a autonomous surveillance and intervention system > they are subluminal since we're talking crazy theories... how do they defeat the speed of causality to relay information back home?

In my theory they don't. They are autonomous and surveil the galaxy for emergent tech that could destroy all life and if discovered, wipe it out.

Re: Carrier Group in Recent UFO Encounters Had New Air Defense Tech

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Post by gowld »

instantwhat wrote: post #39
mannykannot wrote: post #2

So, in at least a couple of cases, these events coincide with the deployment of new air defense tech with advanced information processing capabilities? One should at least consider the possibility that they are machine-generated artifacts, possibly responses to unusual conditions that have mundane explanations.

That makes no sense. Testimony from the pilots who intercepted the object indicates the object demonstrated awareness of their presence. Watch this video of a U.S. Navy F/A-18 squadron commander (not an average military pilot) who intercepted one of the objects and engaged in aerial maneuvers with it. He describes intercepting the object, flying about one mile away from it, with the object demonstrating awareness of…

There is a UFO in your bathroom that is visible by the unaided eye and mirrors your movements. It's your mirror image.

Re: Carrier Group in Recent UFO Encounters Had New Air Defense Tech

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Post by gowld »

aussieguy1234 wrote: post #49

UFOs are real. But that doesn't mean aliens are. More than likely a foreign country has invented advanced technology and is keeping it secret. The sightings all happened near the coast, right where you'd expect advanced recconissance aircraft to be.

More than more than likely, operators got confused by a known sensor glitch in a new sensor design.

Re: Carrier Group in Recent UFO Encounters Had New Air Defense Tech

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Post by blincoln »

gfodor wrote: post #50

Skepticism means positing alternative theories that explain the evidence, not coming up with less-extraordinary theories that contradict the evidence, which is what most of the threads here do. Super intelligent AI certainly seems plausible as a thing which could exist. Fusion powered sub-light speed autonomous drones certainly seems like a thing which could exist. Any super intelligent AI would take actions to ensur…

The odds are that if there's intelligent life elsewhere in our galaxy capable of space travel, they've had millions (possibly billions) of years longer than we have to develop their technology.[1]

Why would someone with technology even thousands of years ahead of ours need to get right up next to our aircraft to analyze them? Why would they need more than a few seconds to do so?

If there are hostile spacefaring cultures out there, we're basically done for as soon as they find us. We'd stand less chance against them than an army of cro-magnons would against a Spectre gunship.

[1] Because the chance of another form of life reaching the space age at anything like the same time that we did is astronomically low, and if they haven't reached that point yet, we're not going to run into them.

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