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Police Post Racist and Violent Messages on Facebook, a Review Shows
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#62> "Two studies have found that at least 40% of police officer families experience domestic violence, in contrast to 10% of families in the general population," the National Center for Women & Policing says. "A third study of older and more experienced officers found a rate of 24%, indicating that domestic violence is 2-4 times more common among police families than American families in general." http://womenandpolici…
If you follow the footnotes, you'll see that the only references for this claim are almost 30 years old. One of the two is just a Congressional hearing.
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#63> "A Facebook page called Chicago Code Blue attracted attention for inflammatory comments — such as “Every Thug Deserves a Slug” — after an officer was found guilty in the death of Laquan McDonald." Oh dear, speaking of "people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones"
... because one comment on social media becomes a just characterization of all members of a class?
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#64Given a lack of per capita numbers and comparison to the general population this seems like concern trolling by an advocacy organization.
From the article: Of the pages of officers whom the Plain View researchers could positively identify, about 1 in 5 of the current officers, and 2 in 5 of the retired officers, made public posts or comments that met that threshold — typically by displaying bias, applauding violence, scoffing at due process, or using dehumanizing language. The officers mocked Mexicans, women, and black people, celebrated the Confederat…
Translation: "80% of officers never wrote a single thing that we could paint in a negative light."
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#65Having grown up in a poor community I got to know a lot of police officers and their children. Racism and thuggish behavior was definitely a huge problem. These posts sadly don't surprise me. That being said, Buzzfeed and their ilk routinely make excuses for people on the left posting the same type of racism and thugish messages. "Ironically" calling for old white men to be punished, routinely calling for violence ag…
Classic whatabouttism. Does it really make you feel better to imagine two sides, one of which is "left", the other "right", and placing them on a balance? The two sides here are the police and civilians, not police and "leftists on the internet".
Please don't take HN threads further into ideological warfare. If one is already heading there, either take it in the opposite direction, or simply don't reply. This community is about curiosity, and scorched earth doesn't interest or benefit anybody.
https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
Also, please don't use the 'whataboutism' label in arguments here. It falls under the guideline that asks people not to call names in arguments. https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme...
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#66> "A Facebook page called Chicago Code Blue attracted attention for inflammatory comments — such as “Every Thug Deserves a Slug” — after an officer was found guilty in the death of Laquan McDonald." Oh dear, speaking of "people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones"
... because one comment on social media becomes a just characterization of all members of a class?
Depends on the number of likes I guess.
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#67Earlier quoted context omitted.
Classic whatabouttism. Does it really make you feel better to imagine two sides, one of which is "left", the other "right", and placing them on a balance? The two sides here are the police and civilians, not police and "leftists on the internet".
Please don't take HN threads further into ideological warfare. If one is already heading there, either take it in the opposite direction, or simply don't reply. This community is about curiosity, and scorched earth doesn't interest or benefit anybody. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Also, please don't use the 'whataboutism' label in arguments here. It falls under the guideline that asks people not to…
Fair enough. I felt I was trying to pull the conversation back out of the ideological by re-humanizing and making relevant the actual victims.
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#68Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not as a counterpoint to the domestic violence issue but to broaden the picture of symptoms of widespread mental illness, the suicide rate is also higher than the general population. > “The Ruderman Family Foundation, a philanthropic institution, also found that first responders die by suicide at a higher rate than people in the general population, according to an April 2018 report.” https://www.huffpost.com/entry/fo…
> Common threads between suicides have been cited, including pressures of the job. Most important is probably access to means and methods - easy access to guns.
Plus familiarity with using a gun.
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#69Do we have evidence around whether this is a selection effect or a transformation effect? That is, do racist assholes disproportionately gravitate towards the police force? Or does the police force disproportionately turn ordinary people into racist assholes?
Serpico the movie is based on real life corruption. I don't think this is a solvable problem without changing humanity it the role entirely. There's a saying, power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely. While there are most likely some officers who are above and beyond the best of humanity, most are likely average or below average due to the selection process and the type of people who would go into the field.
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#70Earlier quoted context omitted.
"do racist assholes disproportionately gravitate towards the police force?" This one, probably, as usually racist+fascist assholes are the ones who dream of wearing an uniform and carry weapons so they can "feel the power" over other people. It's a selection problem, which I'm sure those responsible are very aware of and have no intention to change. A violent cop is a perfect weapon for corrupt governments and politi…
The pattern with "the racist+fascist assholes" typically is that the craving for power (and sometimes for brutal violence) comes first , and then ideas are sought in a bid to normalize it. A position of authority, or purposely fanning widespread hate towards some socially marginalized or despised group that few people will bother to counter, are two things that are very often used to get away with all sorts of brutal…
The police shouldn't be associated with the Nazis here. There's no wide scale organised plan to wipe out an entire race. The number of truly rotten officers is in the minority or there would be more bright line evidence of horribles. Most actions caught by police aren't outright actions of intentional corruption or malice, they are improper or bad policing that goes unpunished, which is the real problem.
You can't be expected to punish the police when you need them to do your job, which is the position DAs are in. If they were to lose the trust if the police then they wouldn't have the super they need to go their job. A statewide role of internal enforcement that's separate from the DA and is an unelected role appointed by the governor or legislative body would likely be the best one could do for this role and provide the freedom to do the job effectively.
Add to that punishments should come out of the insurance funds for the force meaning police organizations that are truly terrible would get shut down when they could not afford their insurance. Also a national police database with all punitive actions against officers that is permanent and not removable unless ordered by a judge would go a long way to prevent officers who get punished in multiple locations from just moving to a new job.