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Re: Police Post Racist and Violent Messages on Facebook, a Review Shows

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think its a hard distinction to make that the bar is higher when you are issued weapons and authority by the state. Leftist asshole talking about "old white men" online = bad Cop who has the power to use force against you or arrest you talking about how "thugs deserve slugs" = worse This isn't hard.

The media is extremely powerful and has amplifying effects on violence. Both they and the police are strong and dangerous.

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Re: Police Post Racist and Violent Messages on Facebook, a Review Shows

#52

People who face little to no consequences from being violent endorse violence. Water is wet. More breaking news at 11.

Lots of things are 'obvious' but we do the research to both confirm them and to exclude our biases. When you have enough evidence one way or the other then you can begin addressing the problem properly. Evidence lead policies are the most rational way to addresses things.

Exactly, I've seen for a long time that cops have the most toxic online forums. I mean, I've felt that they're often as bad or worse than the Neo-Nazi ones I've come across. But how do you know that these are real cops, and how representative are they of the force? Proper study shows that they are real cops, many of them are of higher rank in their departments, they make it hard for their coworkers to be treated with respect, they disproportionately harm civilians, and they cost their municipalities tons of money.

Re: Police Post Racist and Violent Messages on Facebook, a Review Shows

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Direct link to The Plain View Project itself: https://www.plainviewproject.org/

Which is itself part of Injustice Watch: https://www.injusticewatch.org

"a non-partisan, not-for-profit, multimedia journalism organization that conducts in-depth research exposing institutional failures that obstruct justice and equality"

Re: Police Post Racist and Violent Messages on Facebook, a Review Shows

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Do we have evidence around whether this is a selection effect or a transformation effect? That is, do racist assholes disproportionately gravitate towards the police force? Or does the police force disproportionately turn ordinary people into racist assholes?

"do racist assholes disproportionately gravitate towards the police force?" This one, probably, as usually racist+fascist assholes are the ones who dream of wearing an uniform and carry weapons so they can "feel the power" over other people. It's a selection problem, which I'm sure those responsible are very aware of and have no intention to change. A violent cop is a perfect weapon for corrupt governments and politi…

The pattern with "the racist+fascist assholes" typically is that the craving for power (and sometimes for brutal violence) comes first, and then ideas are sought in a bid to normalize it. A position of authority, or purposely fanning widespread hate towards some socially marginalized or despised group that few people will bother to counter, are two things that are very often used to get away with all sorts of brutality and inhumane behavior. It's essentially a smaller-scale version of what the Nazis did, and the sort of thing that should actually be decried as such, in the strongest possible terms.

Re: Police Post Racist and Violent Messages on Facebook, a Review Shows

#55

Do we have evidence around whether this is a selection effect or a transformation effect? That is, do racist assholes disproportionately gravitate towards the police force? Or does the police force disproportionately turn ordinary people into racist assholes?

Ans: That overused word from early 90's business speak; Synergy.

Re: Police Post Racist and Violent Messages on Facebook, a Review Shows

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post #33
post #8

> "Two studies have found that at least 40% of police officer families experience domestic violence, in contrast to 10% of families in the general population," the National Center for Women & Policing says. "A third study of older and more experienced officers found a rate of 24%, indicating that domestic violence is 2-4 times more common among police families than American families in general." http://womenandpolici…

Not as a counterpoint to the domestic violence issue but to broaden the picture of symptoms of widespread mental illness, the suicide rate is also higher than the general population. > “The Ruderman Family Foundation, a philanthropic institution, also found that first responders die by suicide at a higher rate than people in the general population, according to an April 2018 report.” https://www.huffpost.com/entry/fo…

> Common threads between suicides have been cited, including pressures of the job.

Most important is probably access to means and methods - easy access to guns.

Re: Police Post Racist and Violent Messages on Facebook, a Review Shows

#57

Having grown up in a poor community I got to know a lot of police officers and their children. Racism and thuggish behavior was definitely a huge problem. These posts sadly don't surprise me. That being said, Buzzfeed and their ilk routinely make excuses for people on the left posting the same type of racism and thugish messages. "Ironically" calling for old white men to be punished, routinely calling for violence ag…

I’d say the opposite. Intolerance should not be tolerated.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

Re: Police Post Racist and Violent Messages on Facebook, a Review Shows

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Oh, boy Americans! Trust me as a Brit you will miss your freedom of speech when it's gone!

Police are pretty much immune from all consequences. They can barely be fired- even for good cause- and if they are they can be sued to be reinstated. They have nothing to worry about. They have some of the most robust workplace protections in the nation, not least when it comes to extracurricular opinions like these.

Re: Police Post Racist and Violent Messages on Facebook, a Review Shows

#59
post #16

Given a lack of per capita numbers and comparison to the general population this seems like concern trolling by an advocacy organization.

"no worse than the general population" would be a damning indictment on its own. The police have, notionally, a monopoly on state violence, and you want to set the bar so low?

Re: Police Post Racist and Violent Messages on Facebook, a Review Shows

#60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"do racist assholes disproportionately gravitate towards the police force?" This one, probably, as usually racist+fascist assholes are the ones who dream of wearing an uniform and carry weapons so they can "feel the power" over other people. It's a selection problem, which I'm sure those responsible are very aware of and have no intention to change. A violent cop is a perfect weapon for corrupt governments and politi…

> It's a selection problem, which I'm sure those responsible are very aware of and have no intention to change Do you have evidence for this?

"Do you have evidence for this?"

If anyone of us had evidence of this the cat would be already out of the bag, so unfortunately I don't. There is however evidence that selection is deeply flawed, so I wonder why the same criteria that would have me sacked in no time by any company HR department if I behaved as such can't apply there. Racist violent people aren't usually that smart at hiding it, I know some of them and usually 30 minutes of chit chat is more than enough to expose their ideologies and how wrong would be to give them that power.

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