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Is everything we eat associated with cancer? A systematic cookbook review

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Re: Is everything we eat associated with cancer? A systematic cookbook review

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post #20

You can basically dump all mouse studies, since the standard kibble was something high sugary/starchy. Add fat -> cancer; add more sugar -> cancer...; add more protein -> cancer Epidemiological stuff is flawed as well. Unless the people are kept in a closed ward and every meal is kept under close observation, it's probably not "clean" data. There is hope though... annecdotal evidence seems to point towards unprocesse…

This is similar to a problem with exercise studies: they under-dose in intensity and volume, and are then surprised that nothing much helps.

Re: Is everything we eat associated with cancer? A systematic cookbook review

#33
post #3

There are scientists who argue that what the mitochondria does is fundamentally cancerigenic on a long enough timeline, so in a sense, yes, everything we eat is associated with cancer. https://www.nature.com/articles/cr2017155

Metabolism is a process with chemical and energetic exhaust that can damage machinery critical to cellular processes. And at some point it becomes evolutionarily favorable to just accept that damage and expend effort starting over again (offspring) as opposed to attempting complete repair of all the damaged systems.

In that way, all metabolic processes will logically lead to cancer (damage to dna). The world is on fire.

Re: Is everything we eat associated with cancer? A systematic cookbook review

#34
post #8

At this point I almost expect an article titled "All oxygen-breathing organisms are a fatally flawed design and are doomed to never live healthy no matter what". :(

That's exactly the problem with cancer. You know - vaccination causes cancer! Allows you to live long enough to die of cancer. :-)

Re: Is everything we eat associated with cancer? A systematic cookbook review

#35

A subtle way to suggest fasting ?

If you stop eating for a few weeks it probably does lower your chances of getting cancer significantly.

that's what I meant, since it seems all types of food are linked to cancer, fasting is the best of them

Re: Is everything we eat associated with cancer? A systematic cookbook review

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post #8

At this point I almost expect an article titled "All oxygen-breathing organisms are a fatally flawed design and are doomed to never live healthy no matter what". :(

Well, that's basically true, isn't it? Oxygen is extremely reactive and was poisonous to early life: https://slate.com/technology/2014/07/the-great-oxygenation-e...

It still is. If you live at sea level, your chances of getting lung cancer are much higher that of you live at higher elevations.

Re: Is everything we eat associated with cancer? A systematic cookbook review

#38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you stop eating for a few weeks it probably does lower your chances of getting cancer significantly.

that's what I meant, since it seems all types of food are linked to cancer, fasting is the best of them

I remember reading a few studies where malnourished individuals and with certain nutritional deficiencies had lower cancer incidence. There could be some truth to it. Time to dig into PubMed.

Re: Is everything we eat associated with cancer? A systematic cookbook review

#39
post #7

See also Kill or Cure , a comprehensive index of every Daily Mail article claiming that something causes or prevents cancer. https://kill-or-cure.herokuapp.com/

Looks like it does subject/verb plurality agreement based on the presence of an 's' at the end of the subject. Thus: "Asbestos prevent cancer". Heh. Software.

I looked at the site again to see that it actually says "asbestos cause cancer", because I was really curious how it could ever prevent cancer...

No mention of Cheetos or Doritos though.

Re: Is everything we eat associated with cancer? A systematic cookbook review

#40

I think we as humans are just associated with cancer. Regardless of what we eat. My soul mate exercised, ate well and natural but still got breast cancer. Because it was in her family. Cancer hits so many people that it seems like it's just a natural way of population control to me. Or perhaps a side effect from being multi-celled creatures in a universe with background radiation.

You could generalize that to "... we as mammals ..." without much loss of precision.

* allowing naked mole rats & elephants as outliers

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