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Justice Department Is Preparing Antitrust Investigation of Google

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No, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLmO1GE4GvI > search quality in general does not use Google Analytics in ranking > it won't affect your ranking

Do you actually believe them? I don't.

I agree with lohszvu and given this was made nearly a decade ago, I'm pretty sure their tactics have changed (I don't even think AMP was made in 2010).

Re: Justice Department Is Preparing Antitrust Investigation of Google

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post #154

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Given that this amazingly nameless "white house advisor"and title is clear spin for their narrative in the same way the "top competition counsel" thing is (and proven wrong by totally trivial fact checking), do you have evidence or anything to back up that this was not a standard meeting?

Do you think you might have a conflict of interest here?

No, actually. I've been quite clear on my position on this many times on HN (it's just another fun form of bias people try to use to not have to engage in real discussion on the merits, and convince themselves their position is right), and i'm being totally consistent with that.

Do you have anything substantive to add to the conversation? Do you want to disagree with anything I said?

In practice, my comment comes more from being in DC for 7 years, not for working for any company.

What i said applies across just about every media outlet these days. Every unnamed white house advisor (sometimes even "senior advisor", because why not!) who isn't an "anonymous source" is usually unnamed because otherwise you'd be able to point out their job title matches what they were doing and is unrelated to the white house (or their attachment to the white house is "tenuous at best").

It's true the white house sometimes has people with the job title "advisor" in it, but you will notice when articles mention real names, if you were to go looking, you'd see that was usually their real title (or they failed at fact checking).

That's not just the white house either. Random low level people at companies become "senior executives", etc.

This even spreads, unfortunately, using those things as sources, and later often becomes "truth".

Here, i'll take a totally non-political thing as an example for you:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Fredinburg (RIP) was a great person and all around good guy (IME), but he was 100% not a google executive. This is an objective fact, by any definition of executive (including Google's). You can see the sources cited for these claims are news articles.

All of which, in order to play up their narrative on a tragedy, decided to give him that title (and various others!)[1]

Thinking that anything else here is happening, in this, or really any other situation, is just naive (or gross application of variants of gell-mann amnesia).

In the situation in the original article, do you seriously believe that if the current administration had the chance to nail a real former obama whitehouse advisor doing something illegal or untoward, they wouldn't jump at the chance do it?

It's not like they don't have white house visitor logs and plenty of people around the DOJ/FTC/etc who can tell them what happened!

[1] As an aside, i find it pretty sad that it appears people find "google executive" to be a more impressive/etc way to memorialize someone than "good person". If i pass away in a news-worthy event, can y'all make sure it says "good father" or something.

Re: Justice Department Is Preparing Antitrust Investigation of Google

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post #82

Look, I get it — the issues with Google, Facebook, Amazon. But I can’t help but think about how AT&T and other ISPs banded together to claim they shouldn’t be regulated because they are Internet companies just like FANG during the Net Neutrality discussions. When I see just how bad ISPs are acting, in lack of competition, price gouging, content ownership, data monitoring, it really seems they were successful in shift…

You're right, ISP monopolies are a bigger antitrust issue. People are overwhelmingly pro net-neutrality

They will take this action against Google, and meanwhile, Comcast CEO Brian Roberts will continue to take in an average of $100 per customer per month.

This is, quite nakedly, Comcast influencing action against Google for trying to compete in broadband.

It is convenient that Comcast owns NBC while lobbying government for legislation it wants to see.

https://www.cnbc.com/video/2018/10/25/watch-cnbcs-full-inter...

Re: Justice Department Is Preparing Antitrust Investigation of Google

#174
I was the biggest Google fan ever. I recommended all their products to everyone I know.

Gone are those days. I now trust Microsoft (heh! M!cr0$0ft, anyone?) more than Google which is strange given I grew up rebelling against MS’s technical desktop hegemony.

I wonder when Google decided “doing evil” was okay. I wonder how the SWE’s and other senior people in this thread feel about working for a company that many now consider scum. All their excuses and retorts can honestly take a hike: It is my honest opinion that if you still work for Google you’re selling us all out.

After years of serving malware through ads and doing nothing to stop it, they’re now trying to stop us blocking ads?! That’s just the last of many strikes that set me down this road.

Re: Justice Department Is Preparing Antitrust Investigation of Google

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post #128

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Here is the first example I came across: https://www.rbr.com/six-broadcast-tv-groups-settle-doj-antit... No one is saying these broadcast groups don't have 1st amendment rights, just that they were going about it in an anti-competitive way.

That's a price fixing/cartel case not a first amendment one.

Isn't that the point? What you prosecute is not related the first amendment, despite the actions being protected by it.

Re: Justice Department Is Preparing Antitrust Investigation of Google

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post #160

Imagine what competition in the search space would do for adword prices. I have no idea how one would go about breaking up google search, and the infrastructure/IP behind it. Or changing consumer habits, but there would be a lot of beneifts to everyone.

Adwords prices are based off the bids submitted - whether this is done through one centralized exchange or many competing ones makes little difference. Each search-based digital advertiser will end up charging the maximum it can while avoiding "vacancies".

Re: Justice Department Is Preparing Antitrust Investigation of Google

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post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you think you might have a conflict of interest here?

No, actually. I've been quite clear on my position on this many times on HN (it's just another fun form of bias people try to use to not have to engage in real discussion on the merits, and convince themselves their position is right), and i'm being totally consistent with that. Do you have anything substantive to add to the conversation? Do you want to disagree with anything I said? In practice, my comment comes mor…

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Re: Justice Department Is Preparing Antitrust Investigation of Google

#178

Good. To quote an old friend who worked for Google: "I'm worried that if the rest of America knew what we were actually doing here they would literally come here and kill us..."

Interesting. I work for Google as well and I have a somehow opposite opinion here. Working here means you gotta fight through extremely complicated, thorough (and sometime bureaucratic) privacy, security and legal reviews by daily basis. Those teams have a real power to block any launches they don't like; Google give them the power not because of good-will but it's more about decreasing a risk of significant revenue…

Is this sort of compliance testing needed in countries with authoritarian leaders?

Re: Justice Department Is Preparing Antitrust Investigation of Google

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post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you think you might have a conflict of interest here?

If he cites factual information and gives reasonable arguments, what's the difference?

He gave no facts about the whitehouse advisor.

Re: Justice Department Is Preparing Antitrust Investigation of Google

#180

Distressingly absent from this list is the company that cheerfully collects and sells even more data that Google about the average American's life and collects MUCH more of their money: Amazon.

Amazon does not collect more data than Google does, even by your own definition. In fact, Google uses Amazon to collect even more information than they do innately by mining Gmail for purchase receipts.
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