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The 4-Hour Body: (Quickly) Hacking The Human Body

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Re: The 4-Hour Body: (Quickly) Hacking The Human Body

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And most people would be quite happy with a "B" body. The most important thing for me, as someone that tends to come up with the "perfect plan" before starting, is that doing a little will get you on the path to improving yourself. But then when I do a little, I realize it's often enough to get me where I wanted.

With the right diet and just one hour of exercise per week you can get you an A++ body. Diet: Not too many calories, many vegetables, enough protein. Cook your own meals. Fat is ok, as long as you don't get too many calories. Exercise: Mostly running, and a little bit of strength training. The key is to do what you do to the max. Run 10 minutes but make sure run as fast as possible. Do this two times a week, this wil…

Any tips on how to get a better handle on 'many, enough, and too many' relatively easily? I'd like to do something like this, but it's the paradox of choice with me and health: I know next to nothing, so I just feel confused by everything...

Re: The 4-Hour Body: (Quickly) Hacking The Human Body

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Exactly. And when he's talking about winning the martial arts fights, he goal was to "WIN", not to play the game. And like gursikh says, either put up or shut up. We need concrete examples! Overall, I think Tim has done a lot for a lot of people with the ideas that he shares in his books.

If he doesn't feel that as a wholly empty accomplishment, he must be a sociopath. He didn't prove his ability to fight was superior. He didn't prove his mastery of martial arts was superior. He proved his ability to push his opponent over the line. If there were no line, he'd be crushed.

Nope, his ability to fight _was_ superior. He used every advantage possible while staying within the rules of the game. That's how competitive games are played.

Re: The 4-Hour Body: (Quickly) Hacking The Human Body

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In this article, http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/sports_body_trai... It claims that your body can only synthesize about 2 pounds of dry muscle mass per month. 34 pounds in 28 days is roughly a pound of muscle per day . I've always found myself wanting more evidence to back that up, or even just seeing more examples of people saying they've done that. The closest I've heard to getting that kind of result a…

The one thing that seems pretty blatantly overlooked in this whole discussion is that genetics have __alot__ to do with body building. I guarantee you that if everyone reading this thread mimicked Tim's 28 day plan exactly, that no where near 100% of us would produce the same results (assuming the plan actually did as he claims). Some people are just predisposed to bulking up. It's interesting to peruse body-building…

Their is also a very large difference between those who have had weight training regimen the past (and had some success, no matter how little), and those who are doing their first foray into putting on a large amount of muscle with proper eating and program.

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1955784

The discussions on Ferris always seem to turn to personal attacks, nor, citations on how Ferris is a "charlatan." Like any other information, I absorb what I feel will be helpful, and ignore the rest.

For the Four Hour Work Week, he gives highly simplistic and to-the-point advice on starting your little business (or as he says, muse). People love fluff it seems and rail against very blatant simplistic advice. His older blogs (from the HN discussion I linked above, which references his blog post) is all about That simplicity.

The most highly ranked comment in this discussion is only in regards to his self-promotion or personal dislike of the man himself. Not conducive to conversation.

Re: The 4-Hour Body: (Quickly) Hacking The Human Body

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Exploiting rule loopholes in obscure Chinese kickboxing events doesn't constitute much of a "WIN", especially with his subsequent presentation of himself as a "world champion" and "experienced mixed martial artist". All up, a call for "concrete examples" is exactly what should be going on. From Tim. Not from the unbeliever. The cliche is "the onus of proof is on the believer". Tim's extraordinary claims about drug-fr…

You have misunderstood me. It doesn't matter if Tim is wrong, if we don't know what is right. If you substantiate your criticisms by finding counter-evidence or disputing his evidence, you add value to the conversation by pointing people in the right direction.

I don't have to find counter-evidence. I just have to ask HIM to show evidence of his extraordinary claims. Arguably, by pointing out how vague his actual evidence is (and putting it in context, e.g. 'world martial arts champion' == 'successful exploiter of loopholes in an obscure Chinese kickboxing event') I'm sort of doing what you say, but the claim that Ferriss should be taken seriously until comprehensively debunked is rubbish. Who has time to wander around debunking every semi-popular crackpot on the web?

All I know is that when Ferriss's claims intersect stuff that I know about I can tell he's full of it. This doesn't raise my level of faith about anything else.

Re: The 4-Hour Body: (Quickly) Hacking The Human Body

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With the right diet and just one hour of exercise per week you can get you an A++ body. Diet: Not too many calories, many vegetables, enough protein. Cook your own meals. Fat is ok, as long as you don't get too many calories. Exercise: Mostly running, and a little bit of strength training. The key is to do what you do to the max. Run 10 minutes but make sure run as fast as possible. Do this two times a week, this wil…

Any tips on how to get a better handle on 'many, enough, and too many' relatively easily? I'd like to do something like this, but it's the paradox of choice with me and health: I know next to nothing, so I just feel confused by everything...

Listen to your body. When you're full, stop eating. This feeling lags a bit behind what you eat, so don't eat too quickly. Don't eat things like sweets, chocolate and potato chips when you're hungry, when hungry only eat healthy things. Don't drink too much calorie dense drinks like fruit juice. These drinks won't give you a full feeling even though you've consumed a lot of calories, better eat fresh fruit.

When I eat with my friends they sometimes say how come you eat so much but are so lean. They've been drinking fruit juice or soft drinks with the meal whereas I drank water, they're eating less but consuming the same amount of calories. Later the night they'll feel hungry and start eating snacks. For example tonight I ate carrots, pasta with pork and cheese with a sauce based on creme fraiche. This contains a lot of fat but that's not so bad because it also makes you full (I ate it 6 hours ago and have no appetite for e.g. sweets whatsoever).

When you're hungry, bake an egg in butter with cheese and eat it with a slice of bread. This will be about 300 calories but you'll be full. Or you can eat one Mars and you'll be hungry again in half an hour (also 300 calories). Or you can drink 3 glasses of coke and be hungry in half an hour. Or you can eat 8 oranges and you won't be hungry (also 300). Or eat 25 big tomatoes. Or 100 grams of bread and you'll be hungry in two hours.

The following numbers may be handy:

    Fat:           9000 kcal/kg  (this holds for body fat as well as fat in foods)
    Alcohol:       7000 kcal/kg
    Carbohydrates: 4000 kcal/kg
    Protein:       4000 kcal/kg
One thing I've found is that the more you eat the more hungry you get. For example on Christmas you usually eat a lot, yet the next morning I'm always very hungry. Do you have this too? Evolutionarily I think your body thinks "hey we got a lot last night, there is a lot of food available now (perhaps they killed a mammoth?), better stock up". This also works the other way around: if you've been eating too much and then go back to normal you'll be hungry, but that probably goes away in a couple of days (unless you're not eating enough).

I think it is futile to try to lose weight or keep weight low trying to be hungry. Your body is much more powerful than your mind and will override your conscious efforts in no time.

This is what works for me. The caveat is that I've never had or tried to lose weight, but I started to eat this way because I think it's healthier. When I did so after a while I discovered I had lost 4 kg (which is a lot for me), and had to consciously eat more to gain some of it back. On the other hand I went on a very active sports / camping vacation with friends and we had to buy food a few days ahead, so we all ate the same kind of things. This was a mix between their and my diets (e.g. no coke/fruit juices just water from the lake). My weight went up slightly because I eat more but they each lost 1-2 kg in two weeks. So I think it works, but if you notice gaining weight when applying this, stop and look for something else.

Re: The 4-Hour Body: (Quickly) Hacking The Human Body

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Any tips on how to get a better handle on 'many, enough, and too many' relatively easily? I'd like to do something like this, but it's the paradox of choice with me and health: I know next to nothing, so I just feel confused by everything...

Listen to your body. When you're full, stop eating. This feeling lags a bit behind what you eat, so don't eat too quickly. Don't eat things like sweets, chocolate and potato chips when you're hungry, when hungry only eat healthy things. Don't drink too much calorie dense drinks like fruit juice. These drinks won't give you a full feeling even though you've consumed a lot of calories, better eat fresh fruit. When I ea…

Awesome, thanks so much for this. I have _really_ bad eating habits, but they've actually gotten better over the last few years. They went from 'abysmal' to 'pretty damn bad,' basically. Three years ago, my girlfriend told me she wasn't really sure how I consumed enough nutrients to live... I was going through roughly two liters of Mountain Dew a day, pizza 5 nights a week... yeah. When you work in a pizza shop...

Re: The 4-Hour Body: (Quickly) Hacking The Human Body

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Exactly. And when he's talking about winning the martial arts fights, he goal was to "WIN", not to play the game. And like gursikh says, either put up or shut up. We need concrete examples! Overall, I think Tim has done a lot for a lot of people with the ideas that he shares in his books.

If he doesn't feel that as a wholly empty accomplishment, he must be a sociopath. He didn't prove his ability to fight was superior. He didn't prove his mastery of martial arts was superior. He proved his ability to push his opponent over the line. If there were no line, he'd be crushed.

I'm not say the way he did the martial arts thing is the way to go. Personally, I wouldn't be able to pull it off because I don't think I would be able to face the other players and not feel bad about what I was doing.

But, by his definition, and by those set up by that martial arts sport, he did win, and he got the title/paper to prove it. What can you say, some people like titles/papers more than the actual process :)

Re: The 4-Hour Body: (Quickly) Hacking The Human Body

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In this article, http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/sports_body_trai... It claims that your body can only synthesize about 2 pounds of dry muscle mass per month. 34 pounds in 28 days is roughly a pound of muscle per day . I've always found myself wanting more evidence to back that up, or even just seeing more examples of people saying they've done that. The closest I've heard to getting that kind of result a…

I can refute that claim: I went to Marine Corps bootcamp (PI SC), weighing approximately 127 lbs. I left (3 months later) weighing 142lbs - 15 lbs in 3 months. I think if I had gone on double rations I could have gained more.

Re: The 4-Hour Body: (Quickly) Hacking The Human Body

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In this article, http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/sports_body_trai... It claims that your body can only synthesize about 2 pounds of dry muscle mass per month. 34 pounds in 28 days is roughly a pound of muscle per day . I've always found myself wanting more evidence to back that up, or even just seeing more examples of people saying they've done that. The closest I've heard to getting that kind of result a…

You can synthesize more than 2lbs of muscle per month, if the muscle you're synthesizing has been in a trained state previously. This is how athletes can return from injury in a few weeks. It's also how most before/after shots for health products and supplements are made. I've done GOMAD (Gallon of Milk A Day). It's tough to drink that much milk. In the end, I gained ten pounds of muscle over a period of two months.

You can do more than that per month, even if you've never participated in sports in your life - see my comment above: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2008164

Re: The 4-Hour Body: (Quickly) Hacking The Human Body

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A marathon is 42K and people run those all the time with minimal training. Puff Daddy only trained for 8 weeks. Every yuppie in NYC has met at least a half dozen out of shape office workers who have a mid life crisis and decide to run a marathon in 12 weeks.

8 weeks according to him. Try it and get back to me. You aren't going to go from a 5k to a 50k in 12 weeks and remain injury-free, sorry.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/culture/2009/sep/15/eddie-izzard-c...

5 weeks training, 43 marathons in 50 days.

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