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Justice Department Is Preparing Antitrust Investigation of Google

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Re: Justice Department Is Preparing Antitrust Investigation of Google

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Good. To quote an old friend who worked for Google: "I'm worried that if the rest of America knew what we were actually doing here they would literally come here and kill us..."

Suddenly, any regret from not pursuing a Google interview is gone...

Will you consider interviewing should the case ultimately turn out in Google's favor?

Re: Justice Department Is Preparing Antitrust Investigation of Google

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Good. To quote an old friend who worked for Google: "I'm worried that if the rest of America knew what we were actually doing here they would literally come here and kill us..."

I have never heard anyone working at Google say that. I'm not sure what your old friend was up to though.

Re: Justice Department Is Preparing Antitrust Investigation of Google

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Questions from someone who doesn't know a lot about antitrust law, in case someone knowledgeable cares to chime in:

To what extent does antitrust law require specific intentional or knowing conduct? Is there some "knew or should have known" standard that would require Google to explain why they didn't anticipate or investigate some suspiciously favorable placement of Google products/services/affiliates? Or can Google basically shrug and say "algorithm" a lot and the Justice Department would have an uphill battle to prove intent?

Re: Justice Department Is Preparing Antitrust Investigation of Google

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Good. To quote an old friend who worked for Google: "I'm worried that if the rest of America knew what we were actually doing here they would literally come here and kill us..."

While I'm all for increased scrutiny of tech companies that have such a large presence in the public sphere, the current administration has been off-and-on pretty hostile towards Google for reasons rather unrelated to antitrust. Given the DoJ's actions in the AT&T/Time Warner merger, it wouldn't be a stretch to suspect a politically motivated ploy here.

Do the ends justify the means? Maybe. Is this causing an unfortunate precedent to be set? Maybe, too.

Re: Justice Department Is Preparing Antitrust Investigation of Google

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Suddenly, any regret from not pursuing a Google interview is gone...

Will you consider interviewing should the case ultimately turn out in Google's favor?

At least in my opinion, no. Many reasons but the underlying ones that make me not want to interview with or work for, Google are the same as for Microsoft. I can't trust them. I can already hear the argument, 'who can you trust'. That's subjective depending on your criteria. For me, I won't work for a company I do not trust to keep their promises, be it to the community or its employees.

Re: Justice Department Is Preparing Antitrust Investigation of Google

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Good. To quote an old friend who worked for Google: "I'm worried that if the rest of America knew what we were actually doing here they would literally come here and kill us..."

This could actually turn out to be terrible for we the consumers. It's unlikely that Google would be found to be a monopoly. So we can forget about that. But the anti-competitive nature of their business practices could be targeted successfully I think. (Keep in mind, "I think" means jack in court. The government could very well be laughed out of court. But I think Google does still have some questionable practices.) Google made some superficial changes around 2013-14 time frame, but I don't know if that would be enough for them to get out of hot water.

But the thing we should be concerned with is how the government goes about solving this anti-competitive issue. A breakup is not in the cards since Google is not a monopoly. So the fact that the justice dept has jurisdiction here does not bode well for us. It likely means any remedies will be within the parameters of the current regulatory regime. But what we as consumers really need is a new regulatory regime. What do I mean by that? Well, like the Microsoft case, they may "solve" this whole issue of anti-competitive practices by simply obliging google to allow everyone access to their 'OS', so to speak.

But in this case the 'OS' would effectively be their data.

Which is our data.

Which would be very bad news for us.

All of a sudden, hundreds of companies, all with guaranteed access to our data. Basically, imagine the privacy equivalent of a 9mm round being turned into a shotgun blast for everyone not fortunate enough to be born an EU citizen. (GDPR)

What we really need is a GDPR, not really sanctions against Google. But DOJ can only give us sanctions. I'm starting to believe that somewhere deep in the bowels of the government, there is an extreme aversion to any potential action that might lead to making commerce based privacy infractions illegal.

Re: Justice Department Is Preparing Antitrust Investigation of Google

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post #33

While I think an antitrust suit against Google would be a waste of time, they really need to stop recommending Chrome every time you do a Google search with a different browser. Just stop, that will not play well to a jury.

Your reply almost immediately says you think a jury could be swayed by argument, sentiment or both. Does that not mean an antitrust suit may actually be reasonable, judged by a potently prosecutor?

I think you meant "I don't want them found guilty" which is a different thing. If you really think there is no case to answer I don't think you understand what an antitrust case is about. It's about market dominance and anti competitive behaviour. Something alphabet has already demonstrated they are capable of doing, as in when google, Facebook and apple agreed not to poach Staff and altered the pay rates accordingly, something of which they have already been found guilty.

Re: Justice Department Is Preparing Antitrust Investigation of Google

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post #33

While I think an antitrust suit against Google would be a waste of time, they really need to stop recommending Chrome every time you do a Google search with a different browser. Just stop, that will not play well to a jury.

When will Apple stop sending me desktop notifications about switching to Safari?
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