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Abuses show Assange case was never about law

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Re: Abuses show Assange case was never about law

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The whole "didn't flee rape charges" (or some form of that claim as the 'charges' thing hadn't happened at that time IIRC) situation is always odd to me. Sweeden considers espionage a political crime and does not extradite people for political crimes. Sweeden seems like a great place to be if you're wanted for political crimes. Not a great situation in life, but a good place to be for that. The usual theory in respon…

Might not extradite for political crimes, but they straight up let CIA kidnap people from their soil. If Assange was returned to Sweden, he'd be let out on 'house arrest' and he'd just dissapear into the dark one night.

Re: Abuses show Assange case was never about law

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post #8

Background for anyone who doesn't know: Jonathan Cook is a writer for the alt-right conspiracy rag, The Unz Review: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-unz-report/ This article is attempting to draw lines where there aren't. Julian Assange did in fact flee to the Ecuadorian embassy in order to escape rape charges. That he did so because he feared extradition to the US is correct, but that does not change the original…

A fuller background: Jonathan Cook was a journalist for the Guardian newspaper.

I have read his articles for many years now. Most of them (mainly on Palestine) are interesting and (so far as I can tell) accurate. I would say that he is a respectable journalist, and probably a darn sight better than most of those in the mainstream media today. Doesn't mean I always agree with him, or his (usually rather left-wing) political views.

There was a time when journalists like Cook could make a living writing for a mainstream newspaper, but these days there is no place for his reporting on e.g. Israel in such places as the Guardian.

Re: Abuses show Assange case was never about law

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The guy ran and seeked asylum because he feared he will 'be made an example of' by USA. He sat in that tiny room for 6 years while US actors were working hard to smear him as a rapist and Russian puppet, while insinuating that everyone who claims USA is targeting Assange, or that there are indictments just waiting for his arrest is a conspiracy theorist.

The moment he was removed from the embassy protection (again, as result of extreme pressure by USA onto Ecuador), the indictment for a death-sentence charge becomes public, and his personal belongings are illegally given by Ecuador to USA.

In my opinion, Assange was proven right.

Re: Abuses show Assange case was never about law

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This should be a good enough citation: http://www.unz.com/jcook/endless-procedural-abuses-show-juli... It's the same article, published on the UNZ review. The UNZ review also helpfully gives you a page of all articles a given author has published on their page. http://www.unz.com/author/jonathan-cook/ It seems conclusive that Jonathan Cook is a regular writer for the UNZ review.

I don't know anything about Jonathan Cook but calling somebody a regular writer somewhere when they actually just write articles for syndication feels disingenuous. UNZ is fringe. It definitely posts some anti-semitic stuff, some truther stuff, some straight up foreign propaganda... That said, I've always seen it as a sort of free speech public service, a place where you can go and dip into some wrong stuff. It's an…

> but calling somebody a regular writer somewhere when they actually just write articles for syndication feels disingenuous.

The author gets to choose where their writing get syndicated to. It’s a conscious decision, for whatever reason they make it: money, principle, or just good friends with the owner. So I don’t think it’s disingenuous to point it that they have chosen to write regularly for UNZ.

I haven’t judged UNZ either way, I’m just providing a citation for the claim that Jonathan Cook writes fro UNZ. Make of that information what you want.

Re: Abuses show Assange case was never about law

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post #8

Background for anyone who doesn't know: Jonathan Cook is a writer for the alt-right conspiracy rag, The Unz Review: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-unz-report/ This article is attempting to draw lines where there aren't. Julian Assange did in fact flee to the Ecuadorian embassy in order to escape rape charges. That he did so because he feared extradition to the US is correct, but that does not change the original…

> Jonathan Cook is a writer for the alt-right conspiracy rag This is the new attack vector of the left: if you associate with, speak to, write about or interview anyone who has ever said anything "bad", you are "bad", forever, and that's it. The definition of ad homimen . Newsflash for you: the old media models are dead. People publish things in all kinds of fora. This doesn't make you a stereotype or representation…

>This is the new attack vector of the left

Et-tu brute?

In any case, an actual response to the idea of an ad hominem attack:

Reputation matters, so does context, and words do not stand alone. When taking in speech, it is important to understand the motives of the speaker, to be aware of their level of credibility. This isn't anything new or special, I learned it in high school history. People are biased, and you need to be aware of those biases when evaluating their speech.

Some examples: 1) If someone tells you, "Come in, I'd like to have you for dinner", there's a difference if that person is your father-in-law or Jeffrey Dahmer. 2) If someone tells you that some person X should be freed from charges, there's a difference if it's coming from that person's lawyer, or from the victim of the alleged crimes. 3) If you're about to cross a bridge, and one person says it's not safe to cross, and a second says it is, it makes a difference which one of the two is a structural engineer.

In the case of this particular article, I began to read it and came across several statements that were attempting to gloss over or ignore reported facts. At this point, I wanted to know if it was the result of sloppy reporting (maybe this was some personal rant), or perhaps part of a structured agenda, which is when I started to research the author. I found out that the author is a regular columnist for a company run by a known funder of racist hate groups that itself funds racist and hate speech, with poor journalistic practices.

I personally believe that we have a choice in how we earn a living (google death star contractors), but even if you don't, I think it's only fair to the reader to be aware of the writer's biases.

Re: Abuses show Assange case was never about law

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part of the snowden leaks was a document where the gov recognized JA as an increasing threat, and laid out plans to character assasinate him and other psyops things, and most of the bullshit being spewed about him is easily identifiable as feddback loops on that operation which continues today

Re: Abuses show Assange case was never about law

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According to the UN Special Rapporteur on torture, who just visited Assange [1], he has fallen gravely ill and shows all the signs of prolonged psychological torture.

Apparently at first he assumed Assange was just a good actor, but after visiting him it had become clear to him and the medical experts with him that this is a case of treatment amounting to psychological torture, the likes of which (psychological, not physical) he has not seen in 20 years.

He's been giving numerous interviews about the matter and says that extradition to the US should be ruled out at all costs and that he has very real fears for Assange's health and for the probable violation of his human rights.

[1] https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/julian-assange-showing-sy...

Re: Abuses show Assange case was never about law

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post #15

How could anyone possibly think this was ever about the law? When he first published "Collateral Murder", you knew what it was about, and you knew how it would (eventually) end for him. Does anyone not living under a rock, think what is happening to Assange is even remotely based on law and justice? spoiler alert: it's not!

Do you think the rape charges were made from nothing?

1) 'Rape' as in he didn't go and test himself for STDs when the woman he had sex with demanded it afterward.

2) Do you think no woman ever made up accusations about being raped? Every black man lynched for 'raping a white woman' really did rape them?

Re: Abuses show Assange case was never about law

#69
post #8

Background for anyone who doesn't know: Jonathan Cook is a writer for the alt-right conspiracy rag, The Unz Review: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-unz-report/ This article is attempting to draw lines where there aren't. Julian Assange did in fact flee to the Ecuadorian embassy in order to escape rape charges. That he did so because he feared extradition to the US is correct, but that does not change the original…

A fuller background: Jonathan Cook was a journalist for the Guardian newspaper. I have read his articles for many years now. Most of them (mainly on Palestine) are interesting and (so far as I can tell) accurate. I would say that he is a respectable journalist, and probably a darn sight better than most of those in the mainstream media today. Doesn't mean I always agree with him, or his (usually rather left-wing) pol…

Yes, and he appears to harbor a grudge against the Guardian, which you can see by the number of inflammatory articles tagged Guardian on his blog.

While it's quite possible that among all news sources, Jonathan Cook seems to have worked for the one horrific news source in the world, and is doing us a service by constantly exposing their acts, Occam's razor would suggest otherwise.

I've read a sampling of his articles, and he seems to be either an extremist, or someone who wishes to profit by appearing to be one. His posts seem mostly to be lacking a bit in rational discourse (with gems like "As far I can tell, none of the facts in the Guardian’s story is untrue. But that does not stop it from being a blatant lie"), and without much diversity in subject.

Re: Abuses show Assange case was never about law

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post #68
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you think the rape charges were made from nothing?

1) 'Rape' as in he didn't go and test himself for STDs when the woman he had sex with demanded it afterward. 2) Do you think no woman ever made up accusations about being raped? Every black man lynched for 'raping a white woman' really did rape them?

> ’Rape' as in he didn't go and test himself for STDs when the woman he had sex with demanded it afterward

This is false. The allegation is he got consent for sex with a condom. He then surreptitiously removed the condom.

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