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Re: Abuses show Assange case was never about law

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Post by JumpCrisscross » Fri, May 31, 2019, 2:49 PM UTC

gamblor956 wrote: post #25

jMyles wrote: post #5

> When Assange’s popular recognition fell, and Ecuador’s political incentives changed, the asylum was rescinded. An important side note: this is the why the state always attacks the personality and popularity of activists, and why it's important to defend personalities and people. For example, let me say that, having met Cody Wilson several times and spending several hours with him on a couple of occasions (and moder…

Interesting choice of examples. Cody was accused of sexually assaulting an under-age girl and fled to Taiwan to avoid arrest... Innocent people don't run. Especially not before they've even seen what the evidence against them is.

> fled to Taiwan to avoid arrest

“He had not been charged when he went to Taiwan, so he is not considered to have fled the country“ [1].

Based on the original story, there should be plenty of evidence forthcoming. No need to jump to conclusions.

[1] https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/21/business/cody-wilson-arre...

Re: Abuses show Assange case was never about law

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Post by JumpCrisscross » Fri, May 31, 2019, 2:51 PM UTC

leesec wrote: post #27

gwbas1c wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The whole thing looks like a mess where it looks like every party did something wrong. Let's not forget that Wikileaks violated certain journalistic standards for divulging confidential information. It's a "two wrongs do not make a right" situation. Yes, the rape charges are an awfully convenient distraction. But they exist, and should be investigated.

>Let's not forget that Wikileaks violated certain journalistic standards for divulging confidential information. Which standards are those? I thought journalists were supposed to divulge confidential information if crimes we're being committed.

> Which standards are those?

The ones that say if you get a pile of cables containing war crimes and private medical records of no public concern [1], you publish the former and not the latter.

[1] https://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/aug/23/wikileaks-post...

Re: Abuses show Assange case was never about law

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Post by satokema_work » Fri, May 31, 2019, 2:52 PM UTC

Tomte wrote: post #17

proaralyst wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have a reputable source for your assertion?

No, because it's a lie. Actually one of the victims just recently (after the arrest) reiterated her accusations and called for re-opening the prosecution. Meta: This endless "do you have sources" plays right into the hands of liars. If you don't have real reason to believe that some crucial fact may be missing you shouldn't invite them to spew their nonsense. If they had something real, they would have posted it the…

Also Meta: If your counter-assertion had something real, you would have posted it.

Re: Abuses show Assange case was never about law

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Post by Tomte » Fri, May 31, 2019, 2:52 PM UTC

AlwaysRock wrote: post #23

Tomte wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, because it's a lie. Actually one of the victims just recently (after the arrest) reiterated her accusations and called for re-opening the prosecution. Meta: This endless "do you have sources" plays right into the hands of liars. If you don't have real reason to believe that some crucial fact may be missing you shouldn't invite them to spew their nonsense. If they had something real, they would have posted it the…

You're saying asking for sources is a bad thing?

No.

I'm saying asking for sources as a way to express "I don't believe you" is a bad thing.

First of all for the reason I've just given.

But second, because it's passive-aggressive, disguised as interest in discussion, yet so transparent.

Re: Abuses show Assange case was never about law

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Post by 1121redblackgo » Fri, May 31, 2019, 2:52 PM UTC

mtgx wrote: post #6

The US gov got him where they wanted him, but let's hope Assange breaks this cycle of the U.S. gov arresting and accusing whistleblowers of espionage by not taking any plea deal or pleading guilty. He needs to take this all the way to the Supreme Court.

Calling him a whistleblower may have fit early on in his 'career', but by the end he was a huckster and an agent, knowing or unknowing, in state level espionage.

I absolutely think the case should go to the Supreme Court, if only to clarify the culpability journalists and news agencies have when they publish illegally obtained information.

Re: Abuses show Assange case was never about law

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Post by dmayle » Fri, May 31, 2019, 2:52 PM UTC

proaralyst wrote: post #14

mrbanks wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rape charges invented by the US. The 'rape victim' admitted the Swedish Police told her what to say. Open your eyes Cinderella.

Do you have a reputable source for your assertion?

To second the Tomte's reply: The grandparent comment attempting to discredit Assange's accuser and the charges is fabricated.

There were two women who both filed similar complaints with the police, and neither of them has changed their allegations.

You can read the facts of the charges yourself, and the established timelines. Whatever you feel about the charges, the timeline of events is well-established and credible. Whether or not he is guilty of rape is for the courts to decide.

Re: Abuses show Assange case was never about law

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, May 31, 2019, 2:54 PM UTC

AndyMcConachie wrote: post #24

dmayle wrote: post #8

Background for anyone who doesn't know: Jonathan Cook is a writer for the alt-right conspiracy rag, The Unz Review: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-unz-report/ This article is attempting to draw lines where there aren't. Julian Assange did in fact flee to the Ecuadorian embassy in order to escape rape charges. That he did so because he feared extradition to the US is correct, but that does not change the original…

I think you're just making stuff up. Here is Jonathan Cook's bio: " rel="nofollow">https://www.jonathan-cook.net/about/> I don't see any relation to the Unz report nor do I understand why you're even mentioning it. The page you link to doesn't mention Johnathan Cook at all. Please provide a citation that backs up your allegation.

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Re: Abuses show Assange case was never about law

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Post by dmayle » Fri, May 31, 2019, 2:54 PM UTC

AndyMcConachie wrote: post #24

dmayle wrote: post #8

Background for anyone who doesn't know: Jonathan Cook is a writer for the alt-right conspiracy rag, The Unz Review: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-unz-report/ This article is attempting to draw lines where there aren't. Julian Assange did in fact flee to the Ecuadorian embassy in order to escape rape charges. That he did so because he feared extradition to the US is correct, but that does not change the original…

I think you're just making stuff up. Here is Jonathan Cook's bio: " rel="nofollow">https://www.jonathan-cook.net/about/> I don't see any relation to the Unz report nor do I understand why you're even mentioning it. The page you link to doesn't mention Johnathan Cook at all. Please provide a citation that backs up your allegation.

Unfortunately, I'm not making this up. Here's a link to Jonathan Cook's articles for the Unz Review:

https://www.unz.com/author/jonathan-cook/

Re: Abuses show Assange case was never about law

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Post by entropea » Fri, May 31, 2019, 2:55 PM UTC

AndyMcConachie wrote: post #24

dmayle wrote: post #8

Background for anyone who doesn't know: Jonathan Cook is a writer for the alt-right conspiracy rag, The Unz Review: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-unz-report/ This article is attempting to draw lines where there aren't. Julian Assange did in fact flee to the Ecuadorian embassy in order to escape rape charges. That he did so because he feared extradition to the US is correct, but that does not change the original…

I think you're just making stuff up. Here is Jonathan Cook's bio: " rel="nofollow">https://www.jonathan-cook.net/about/> I don't see any relation to the Unz report nor do I understand why you're even mentioning it. The page you link to doesn't mention Johnathan Cook at all. Please provide a citation that backs up your allegation.

Anyone who questions the official narrative with evidence and logic is deemed an alt-right conspiracy theorist now. I've seen people try it with Chomsky.

Re: Abuses show Assange case was never about law

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Post by Tomte » Fri, May 31, 2019, 2:55 PM UTC

satokema_work wrote: post #33

Tomte wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, because it's a lie. Actually one of the victims just recently (after the arrest) reiterated her accusations and called for re-opening the prosecution. Meta: This endless "do you have sources" plays right into the hands of liars. If you don't have real reason to believe that some crucial fact may be missing you shouldn't invite them to spew their nonsense. If they had something real, they would have posted it the…

Also Meta: If your counter-assertion had something real, you would have posted it.

It may seem parallel, but it really isn't.

I don't claim my assertion is hard to find, it's been all over every newspaper all over the world.

Whereas the originally offered assertion is one that's predicated on a big cover-up (that's the whole point of the submitted blog post). So the interested reader cannot actually find it himself, he needs the gracious support by the asserter.