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New Insights into Hikikomori – People Who Withdraw from Society for Years on End

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Re: New Insights into Hikikomori – People Who Withdraw from Society for Years on End

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Post by bubblewrap »

isnetea wrote: post #3

I’ve cut off all family and friends for a long period of time now, and discontinued my career/work after finally reaching a cynical point of no return a few years ago. My only interactions at this point are with food service workers at the store or coffee shop, or other shopping/errands. Perhaps this is a variant of Hikikomori. In fact, the characteristics of one for me are essentially spot on, except that I’m more o…

If you hate people, why do you care to remove a weak seed from the gene pool? In any case, that would also be accomplished by simply not procreating.

My own recipe against suicidal thoughts is that life is very short anyway. There is little point in shortening it artificially (unless you are in significant pain because of health problems, perhaps).

Re: New Insights into Hikikomori – People Who Withdraw from Society for Years on End

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Post by AllegedAlec »

vokep wrote: post #15
isnetea wrote: post #3

I’ve cut off all family and friends for a long period of time now, and discontinued my career/work after finally reaching a cynical point of no return a few years ago. My only interactions at this point are with food service workers at the store or coffee shop, or other shopping/errands. Perhaps this is a variant of Hikikomori. In fact, the characteristics of one for me are essentially spot on, except that I’m more o…

Take LSD or mushrooms before you go. Not because it will make you no longer be suicidal, but because it is one of the most powerful experiences that you can achieve in this universe. To die without such experience, is incredible tragedy, especially for someone with your perspective. It also may inform you of ways you can optimize your impact on departure, given your reasoning about being a 'weak seed'. But its really…

Telling someone with mental issues to take strong psychotropic drugs for the first time, without anyone to keep an eye of them is one of the most retarded things I've heard in a long time.

Re: New Insights into Hikikomori – People Who Withdraw from Society for Years on End

#33

Post by dooglius »

fuzz4lyfe wrote: post #6
isnetea wrote: post #3

I’ve cut off all family and friends for a long period of time now, and discontinued my career/work after finally reaching a cynical point of no return a few years ago. My only interactions at this point are with food service workers at the store or coffee shop, or other shopping/errands. Perhaps this is a variant of Hikikomori. In fact, the characteristics of one for me are essentially spot on, except that I’m more o…

A thought before you go? If you weren't seeking help why are you here telling us? Perhaps you would like help but don't know how to ask for it, or are ashamed, or have another dumb reason. Talk to someone, you obviously have something to say. Even if it does nothing at least someone will hear your story.

Because it's highly relevant to the article/topic?

Re: New Insights into Hikikomori – People Who Withdraw from Society for Years on End

#34

Post by dkersten »

AllegedAlec wrote: post #32
vokep wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Take LSD or mushrooms before you go. Not because it will make you no longer be suicidal, but because it is one of the most powerful experiences that you can achieve in this universe. To die without such experience, is incredible tragedy, especially for someone with your perspective. It also may inform you of ways you can optimize your impact on departure, given your reasoning about being a 'weak seed'. But its really…

Telling someone with mental issues to take strong psychotropic drugs for the first time, without anyone to keep an eye of them is one of the most retarded things I've heard in a long time.

They've already decided on suicide, so does it really matter?

Re: New Insights into Hikikomori – People Who Withdraw from Society for Years on End

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Post by dkersten »

malandrew wrote: post #18
vokep wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Take LSD or mushrooms before you go. Not because it will make you no longer be suicidal, but because it is one of the most powerful experiences that you can achieve in this universe. To die without such experience, is incredible tragedy, especially for someone with your perspective. It also may inform you of ways you can optimize your impact on departure, given your reasoning about being a 'weak seed'. But its really…

I’d add ketamine to that list. First start with small doses. A larger dose where you fully dissassociate is quite an experience.

I'll add another one to the list: DMT.

I normally wouldn't recommend it, because, while the good trips are profoundly amazing, I've also heard of some pretty bad ones and unless you have some experience with psychedelics and have good mental health, it can be a traumatic experience, but since the guy has already decided he wishes to die, maybe it doesn't matter.

I personally find Ketamine quite therapeutic, at any dose. The recent research suggests it may be effective as an antidepressant, although I guess its still too early to say for sure that its a good long term medication (and of course, self-medicating is never a great idea).

(Of course, for anyone reading this, please do your own research before doing any drug and be safe!)

Re: New Insights into Hikikomori – People Who Withdraw from Society for Years on End

#36

Post by AllegedAlec »

dkersten wrote: post #34
AllegedAlec wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Telling someone with mental issues to take strong psychotropic drugs for the first time, without anyone to keep an eye of them is one of the most retarded things I've heard in a long time.

They've already decided on suicide, so does it really matter?

Ethically: yeah.

Re: New Insights into Hikikomori – People Who Withdraw from Society for Years on End

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Post by trevyn »

therp43 wrote: post #29

Is there really anything to gain from contact with society? Most people run some sort of scam. I ghosted a few years ago after bad divorce, and it was very good decision.

I’ve also noticed the perspective that a majority people seem to “have an angle”, whether that’s an outright financial scam, emotional manipulation, some sort of hustle, wanting to monetize your brain by employing you, or whatever. Interested to hear other people’s observations related to this.

Re: New Insights into Hikikomori – People Who Withdraw from Society for Years on End

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Post by iSnow »

pippy wrote: post #16
isnetea wrote: post #3

I’ve cut off all family and friends for a long period of time now, and discontinued my career/work after finally reaching a cynical point of no return a few years ago. My only interactions at this point are with food service workers at the store or coffee shop, or other shopping/errands. Perhaps this is a variant of Hikikomori. In fact, the characteristics of one for me are essentially spot on, except that I’m more o…

>It’s my own shortcoming Physiologically, there's comfort in knowing that your community and government has your back. Increased depression rates, mental health issues rising, and social isolation is a result of living in a Neo-liberal multicultural society. Living in this society where your personal value is based from how much you earn gives arise to a vapid nihilistic existence. When your government doesn't back i…

>This is disappearing from western society.

Hikis are most numerous in Japan. Japan's society is not forced to open up by ((them)).

Re: New Insights into Hikikomori – People Who Withdraw from Society for Years on End

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Post by dkersten »

AllegedAlec wrote: post #36
dkersten wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They've already decided on suicide, so does it really matter?

Ethically: yeah.

Why?

Sorry, I'm not trying to be argumentative or anything, I'm just trying to understand your point of view.

The way I see it is if he's made up his mind, then there are really three possible outcomes by suggesting drugs: 1. best case, he feels better, yay! 2. worst case, it makes him worse, he kills himself, but was going to do so anyway. :( 3. he has an interesting experience before the end.

I don't see any ethical issues with suggesting something that if it goes wrong, leads to the same outcome as not doing anything. To me, it seems like he has everything to gain and nothing to lose. I'd like to hear your opposing view, though, so I can understand where the flaw in my reasoning is, if there is one.

Re: New Insights into Hikikomori – People Who Withdraw from Society for Years on End

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Post by sprash »

isnetea wrote: post #3

I’ve cut off all family and friends for a long period of time now, and discontinued my career/work after finally reaching a cynical point of no return a few years ago. My only interactions at this point are with food service workers at the store or coffee shop, or other shopping/errands. Perhaps this is a variant of Hikikomori. In fact, the characteristics of one for me are essentially spot on, except that I’m more o…

> suicide is a valid way to remove a weak seed from the gene pool

The smartest people are always full of doubt. The fact that you can express yourself in coherent sentences without any grammar mistakes makes you already part of the better half of humanity. Besides if you don't procreate you are already removed from the gene pool. No suicide required.

> I’m meditating in preparation for the unknown void of the afterlife.

Be aware that being alive is the only way to experience anything in the universe. When you are dead there will be nothing. There will be no afterlife. Even being a passive observer is preferable to not existing at all. Believing in an afterlife makes it all so easy.

> I’m not in search of advice nor assistance regarding my situation.

Thoughts like the ones you are expressing are very common among people with severe depression. All caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain. You have to get your shit together. You owe it to your family and friends. What you are doing and planing to do is in fact incredibly selfish. There are many ways to successful get out of this.

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