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Re: Gab will become a Mastodon fork

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Post by qball »

vikingcaffiene wrote: post #288
saagarjha wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it.

Since we're doing quotes: "First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me." Hate speech should not be allowed a safe haven. Gab is…

>Gab is a business and, as such, is not required to adhere to the first amendment.

Why shouldn't businesses be required to adhere to the First Amendment if they function as the modern public square? The only reason they get out of that requirement is Section 230 of the Communication Decency Act, a law that exists to make sure that websites such as Facebook can't be held liable for how they moderate their site provided its content remains within US law.

This is the definition of privatizing gains, socializing losses.

>First they came for the [people most don't like], then they came for the [progressively larger fractions of the population]

This is why we keep the Overton window focused on scoundrels, like we are now. It never stops just with them.

Re: Gab will become a Mastodon fork

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Post by DuskStar »

jtr1 wrote: post #68

Gab has certainly carved out a niche for some of the worst speech on the internet, including at the very least the announcement of terrorist activity (see Tree of Life, New Zealand massacres) if not the wholesale coordination of it. I don't think we can have a serious discussion about free speech without acknowledging that members of these groups have moved along a path from speech to actions that include mass murder…

When you found a town that is extremely vocal in its ban on witch burning, it really shouldn't be a surprise to have it filled with witches. But that doesn't mean that witch burnings aren't a bad thing, or that towns with such a ban shouldn't exist.

Re: Gab will become a Mastodon fork

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Post by dang »

anth_anm wrote: post #257
ryanmarsh wrote: post #76

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In spite of the fact that Gab is a known cess pool (cis pool?), I funded it because we need more alternatives to the big social networks. I would have funded Tor and 4chan had I the opportunity many years ago. Not too long ago this was a classical liberal position. Today free speech is passé. Guess I'm just old fashioned. I'm happy to see that Gab is switching to Mastodon. I think it will increase the survivability o…

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Please don't take HN threads further into ideological flamewar. Just because the article is about that doesn't make it ok to repeat it here.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Gab will become a Mastodon fork

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Post by brighter2morrow »

DanBC wrote: post #197
Fins wrote: post #183

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The problem is that Twitter's definition of "nazis" basically is "anyone we don't like, which isn't exactly useful for the overall benefit of humanity. Sort of like how FB recently said that they are going to deplatform white supremacists. Why not all supremacists, while you're at it, or don't pretend that you are doing something for any kind of greater good...

> The problem is that Twitter's definition of "nazis" basically is "anyone we don't like No, it really isn't. It's a minority of people calling for violent white supremecy.

Example?

Re: Gab will become a Mastodon fork

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Post by saagarjha »

UncleMeat wrote: post #229
saagarjha wrote: post #28

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I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it.

Will you defend my right to distribute IP I don't own? Or to vote if I am a felon? Or to share state secrets? Or to defraud people or slander people? Do you believe that if the people on gab became state leaders that they'd protect your right to dissent?

There are exceptions to freedom of speech: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_exce...; some of the things on your list are on this and hence do not fall under free speech. Also, note that I don't necessarily agree with all of these exceptions (for example, my personal opinions to your questions tends to lean towards "yes, in many cases" regardless of their legality. In this case I would instead be fighting for your actions to become protected under free speech).

Re: Gab will become a Mastodon fork

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Post by ptah »

tastygreenapple wrote: post #260
ptah wrote: post #133

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using free speech to agitate for removing life and freedoms from whole groups of people is abuse

yeah, but only if everyone agrees on what constitutes rights and freedom. Is the BDS movement abusing or using their rights to free speech?

AFAIK they are fighting for the right to live of palestinians

Re: Gab will become a Mastodon fork

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Post by ptah »

ptah wrote: post #151
jtr1 wrote: post #149

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A fair request. I did sign up some months ago to see for myself, but you can get a good idea perusing the references on their wikipedia article. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gab_(social_network)

as an aside i always find it amusing that agitating for removing freedom from people based on religion, ethnicity or sex is somehow considered an enshrined freedom

it is not about something or someone i don't like. it is about stopping people from ruining people's lives: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48458850

Re: Gab will become a Mastodon fork

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Post by ptah »

anon12345690 wrote: post #161
ptah wrote: post #151

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as an aside i always find it amusing that agitating for removing freedom from people based on religion, ethnicity or sex is somehow considered an enshrined freedom

but you want to remove freedom from people just for saying something you dont like. thats bad too.

it is not about something i don't like. it is about stopping people from ruining people's lives: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48458850

Re: Gab will become a Mastodon fork

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Post by ptah »

antepodius wrote: post #212
ptah wrote: post #151

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as an aside i always find it amusing that agitating for removing freedom from people based on religion, ethnicity or sex is somehow considered an enshrined freedom

You're advocating removing freedom from people you don't like. This is, presumably, also an enshrined freedom.

it is not about people i don't like. i don't have any feelings either way about them. it is about stopping people from ruining people's lives: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48458850

Re: Gab will become a Mastodon fork

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Post by zimpenfish »

r3bl wrote: post #12
javagram wrote: post #4

> “Moving to the ActivityPub protocol as our base allows us to get into mobile App Stores without even having to submit and get approval of our own apps, whether Apple and Google like it or not.“ The perils (or benefits?) of open protocols. Existing mastodon/pleroma clients will be able to connect to Gab by adding a server setting. Now I wonder if mastodon client app developers will start filtering the allowed server…

> Now I wonder if mastodon client app developers will start filtering the allowed servers users can put in... That's precisely what Mastodon's creator suggested earlier today: https://mastodon.social/@Gargron/102184195834215862 Of course, he has no authority over mobile apps, so it remains up to app creators to decide. I believe there are three apps that share the majority of users (Fedilab, Tusky, Mast). Most popula…

Toot! is going to block them.

https://mastodon.social/users/tootapp/statuses/1021853659238...

> In case anyone was wondering due to recent discourse, Toot! will be blocking any gab domains.

> I do not support white supremacy and hatred, and will never support any server that promotes it.

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