Switch from Chrome to Firefox • Hacker News Board

Re: Switch from Chrome to Firefox

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Post by sundvor » Thu, May 30, 2019, 9:42 PM UTC

vor0nwe wrote: post #638

r3bl wrote: post #621

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> Just look at YouTube denying Chromium-based Edge the new redesigned experience for absolutely zero reason. The reason is almost certainly a new user agent (compared to non-Chromium Edge) that YouTube didn't expect. Chromium-based Edge is still not stable, and therefore, not properly supported by YouTube. I don't have time to test this, but I'm willing to bet that you'd get the same result by using any indie browser…

Then why did it work before? I'd been using YouTube's new layout just fine on Edge Chromium for at least a week before getting the "not supported" message.

I haven't seen that yet, but Meet just started working for me. Previously it didn't.

Very happy with my Edge switch so far! And I did it before the ad blocking really reared its ugly head too.

Google needs to faceplant hard on this one.

Re: Switch from Chrome to Firefox

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Post by kakkksaknmdm » Thu, May 30, 2019, 9:44 PM UTC

slacka wrote: post #681

kakkksaknmdm wrote: post #647

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Wrong! Google deliberately blocked Edge, see the tweet here for proof: https://twitter.com/sinclairinator/status/113344983464663859...

Wrong! You didn't read the full thread: > And it may even be a quick ‘n dirty deliberate hack to exclude Chredge this way, just so it doesn’t pollute their telemetry / testing of new website features. That test proves nothing without seeing the Google's code. Feature detection is incredibly slow, requiring JS and multiple round trips. Whereas user agent strings are instantaneous.

>How's this polluting their telemetry? Also, how is some random UA NOT polluting their telemetry? It's a horrible excuse, that's all it is. It was fine and then suddenly it became "an issue". It's singling out them, SPECIFICALLY. Nice try.

Read the reply too. ;)

Re: Switch from Chrome to Firefox

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Post by severine » Thu, May 30, 2019, 9:45 PM UTC

holoduke wrote: post #186

It would be awesome to create somekind of quide on how to switch from the Google ecosystem to something different. Mail, browser, agenda, drive, photos etc. I would seriously pay 50 bucks per month to have something different without bullshit companies like Google behind it.

There exists and org like that, it's called Framasoft:

https://degooglisons-internet.org/en/

Re: Switch from Chrome to Firefox

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Post by inferiorhuman » Thu, May 30, 2019, 9:45 PM UTC

grimgrin wrote: post #700

_opc6 wrote: post #667

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I would switch today if Mozilla added tab completed search in the address bar that Chrome pioneered. It's very intuitive and difficult to give up.

Not everyone is understanding what you're saying, as evident by the downvotes you're getting I'm fulltime FF but I won't pretend that the in-site (site specific) search works as smoothly as it did (does?) in Chrome In Chrome you would go to foo.com and you would use their search input and from then on, in your address bar you can type foo (or maybe just f, depending on how often you use foo.com), and press to search…

Not everyone is understanding what you're saying, as evident by the downvotes you're getting

Well also I'd like the address bar to be a fucking address bar and not an address-but-sometimes-search bar.

Re: Switch from Chrome to Firefox

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Post by meerita » Thu, May 30, 2019, 9:48 PM UTC

I switched Firefox today, after so many years on Chrome. One of the reasons I found valid to use Chrome it was having the browsing history on my phone, but now i felt i really don't care that much. I value more to be controlling all privacy and not eating that many cookies, scripts.

Re: Switch from Chrome to Firefox

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Post by BlueTemplar » Thu, May 30, 2019, 9:50 PM UTC

juststeve wrote: post #586

teh_klev wrote: post #378

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I'll bite, tell me (I already know they were acquired by Microsoft)....?

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/05/24/github_is_independe...

Wow, thanks, that "Velvet Glove" 3-parts comment is one of the best I've ever seen, all commenting sections combined !! https://forums.theregister.co.uk/forum/all/2019/05/24/github...

Re: Switch from Chrome to Firefox

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Post by GuB-42 » Thu, May 30, 2019, 9:50 PM UTC

b3n wrote: post #630

GuB-42 wrote: post #315

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uBlock Origin uses less RAM than AdBlock plus to do the same thing. AdBlock plus also has the "acceptable ads" program that most people dislike but it can be easily turned off. The rest is mostly politics.

Is less RAM really a selling point? I have a lot of spare RAM, I'd prefer it get used to cache more if it can speed things up.

Generally, yes. A little less so if you have spare but still important.

The main reason is, as you said, cache. The more unused RAM you have, the longer caches will be kept. It includes disk cache, browser cache, etc... But it can also make the CPU cache more efficient. L2 cache is about 10 times faster than RAM, and the less RAM you are using, the more cache will be used. L1 cache is even faster but here, access patterns matters as much as raw size, if not more.

Re: Switch from Chrome to Firefox

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Post by naikrovek » Thu, May 30, 2019, 9:51 PM UTC

slacka wrote: post #681

kakkksaknmdm wrote: post #647

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Wrong! Google deliberately blocked Edge, see the tweet here for proof: https://twitter.com/sinclairinator/status/113344983464663859...

Wrong! You didn't read the full thread: > And it may even be a quick ‘n dirty deliberate hack to exclude Chredge this way, just so it doesn’t pollute their telemetry / testing of new website features. That test proves nothing without seeing the Google's code. Feature detection is incredibly slow, requiring JS and multiple round trips. Whereas user agent strings are instantaneous.

Chredge worked for many weeks, then it didn't for a day or so, then it worked again.

Turning the block on was intentional, and turning it off was intentional.

We can only guess at their motivation, and I can guarantee you it was not benevolent given what Mozilla said recently about their interactions with Google.

Re: Switch from Chrome to Firefox

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Post by ElijahLynn » Thu, May 30, 2019, 9:51 PM UTC

Can also switch to https://brave.com/, based on Chromium, with native ad blocking at the lowest level, fast.

Re: Switch from Chrome to Firefox

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Post by creatornator » Thu, May 30, 2019, 9:52 PM UTC

stephenr wrote: post #679

dfabulich wrote: post #515

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Safari doesn't support doesn't support multiple user profiles, and it doesn't support uBlock Origin. If you're switching browsers because you're upset that Chrome is breaking uBO, it makes no sense to switch to another browser that's never supported uBO and probably never will.

Safari supports multiple user profiles because it’s running on a Unix operating system that provides full user accounts. If you’re switching browser because google is breaking ad blocking, it absolutely makes sense to switch to one with a blocking technology that the browser vendor specifically added, rather than grudgingly allowed. It also makes sense to use a browser where the blockers don’t get access to what you’…

Unless you want to log out and into another mac account just to change profiles, this really isn't useful.

The utility comes from having multiple sandboxed, separate profiles running at the same time with separate cookie jars, in separate memory spaces. Kind of like docker containers for the browser. Chrome does this magnificently--I have personal, school, and work profiles all running and open at the same time. It's very useful if you have multiple accounts on any services and need access to them simultaneously (i.e. multiple google accounts). Also useful if you don't want the browser in one of the profiles to remember any sites/cookies from another area of your life. I wouldn't want some of sites I visit on my own time to autocomplete at work, but I still want to have it when I go home.

As far as I know it also isn't possible to make any sort of CLI incantation to open the safari binary as a different user (like sudo with specifying a different non-root user) and not have it override whatever is currently running.

https://www.bettercloud.com/monitor/the-academy/how-to-creat...