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Re: Switch from Chrome to Firefox

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Post by atombender »

sorum wrote: post #540
dhritzkiv wrote: post #207

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Agreed. On macOS, Safari is fastest, hands down. All while preserving battery life better than Chrome, and even Firefox. PiP, swipe to peak navigation, pinch to zoom, better 1Password integration, Apple Pay, etc. are all more than just nice to have features. However, my biggest gripe about Safari has to be the developer tools. They're noticeably slower, clunkier, and the network tab is unpredictable at times. I think…

> better 1Password integration Am I using it wrong in Safari? Because to me the Chrome integration with 1Password X extension is by far the easiest, you get the dropdown right there in the field. In Safari, I have to click the 1Password extension button next to the address field and then select Autofill.

You can set a global keyboard shortcut for 1Password (e.g. cmd-alt-' or similar), which shows the autocompletion popup for whatever Safari window you're in.

Re: Switch from Chrome to Firefox

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Post by apocalyptic0n3 »

OldSchoolJohnny wrote: post #629
jwr wrote: post #161

I don't understand why Mac users use Chrome. Safari seems to be out of fashion: people just assume that it should not be used for some reason, even though it is actually a great browser. I use Safari for both my own browsing and for development (a fairly large ClojureScript application), and it is by far the best browser on the platform by all measures (speed first and foremost). The only place where Safari falls sho…

I dont' understand why any non casual users uses Mac for anything these days unless they feel like paying a stupid tax.

iTerm2 is a decent reason. I've tried to switch to Linux numerous times and I have yet to find a terminal app that is even half as good as iTerm. And command line tools on Windows are a joke currently, at least until the new one comes out soon (which looks good, but I doubt it will be better than iTerm). If you spend a lot of time in your terminal, being able to use the best one that behaves the way you want it to and is customizable nearly to a fault is a decent reason to stick to Mac

Re: Switch from Chrome to Firefox

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Post by pps »

dmit wrote: post #36
Proven wrote: post #5

... or install Edge Dev in seconds and keep most of your Chrome extensions https://www.microsoftedgeinsider.com/en-us/welcome?channel=d...

One of the points brought up about the changes being made to content blocking in Chrome is that it was an engine change. So no, switching to Edge or Opera or whatever might not do anything to help. I'm guessing Brave is the one Blink-powered browser that is likely to become an exception.

The built-in ad-blocker in Opera will go away too? https://www.opera.com/computer/features/ad-blocker

Re: Switch from Chrome to Firefox

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Post by [deleted] »

dror wrote: post #636

It is so clear to me that we need to support and promote mozilla and Firefox. They're not perfect, but they, wikipedia, eff, archive.org (who else?) are such an important part of the Internet guardianship in the face of the monopolies, that it's our duty to support them. Doesn't hurt that Firefox is actually a great product.

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Re: Switch from Chrome to Firefox

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Post by novok »

jwr wrote: post #161

I don't understand why Mac users use Chrome. Safari seems to be out of fashion: people just assume that it should not be used for some reason, even though it is actually a great browser. I use Safari for both my own browsing and for development (a fairly large ClojureScript application), and it is by far the best browser on the platform by all measures (speed first and foremost). The only place where Safari falls sho…

Tab management is worse on safari vs chrome. Until recently, there were no favicons in tabs so it was hard to differentiate, and once you have a lot of tabs you have to scroll, while on chrome there is no scrolling and you can use favicons to see all of your tabs at a glance.

FF has tab scrolling, but you also have tree style tabs which is better than chrome when you have a lot of tabs. Container tabs are also a big plus and is what made me start using firefox again. Chrome has a tree style tabs extension but the user experience makes it unusable for me. I can't find it for safari.

Firefox is still slower & consumes more CPU than chrome and safari after all of the improvements. Especially on a few heavyweight websites I use a lot, like facebook and google maps. Chrome is fast enough by comparison. So on my personal macbook I never use firefox because it's too slow.

If safari fixed it's tab issues then I would use it. But being silent apple, they will probably never fix that because it goes against some designer's idea of good design. Look how long it took to get favicons in tabs and it's still not the default option.

Re: Switch from Chrome to Firefox

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Post by ornitorrincos »

ummonk wrote: post #576
mrb wrote: post #505

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You don't "build" Widevine. Google distributes a binary (libwidevinecdm.so) which implements a standard API that works with both Chrome and Chromium. The "master" DRM secret key is obfuscated and distributed in libwidevinecdm.so itself.

And no pirate has been able to extract the key yet?

probably one has been as determined as breaking games protection

Re: Switch from Chrome to Firefox

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Post by pps »

mushufasa wrote: post #57

I saw a comment on a previous thread say that WebRender will fix the unacceptable performance on retina MBPs. FF 67 released webrender to stable, but only for Windows 10 per the release notes. Will WebRender fix the CPU taxing problem, and will that be released for macOS in a subsequent release?

Fix for that is scheduled for june 2019 https://github.com/orgs/FirefoxGraphics/projects/1 (I'm just waiting for this too, I don't know anything more about it, I hope they will really ship this on time)

Re: Switch from Chrome to Firefox

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Post by SilasX »

staticassertion wrote: post #643
SilasX wrote: post #491

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Someone distributing a different product to get around you current products vulnerabilities is outside this threat model.

No it isn't, there isn't any specified threat model anyway. What we're talking about is whether malicious extensions are something attackers want to use. Having to package an entire browser is a win - it's super noisy and means there's a huge binary to lug around.

>No it isn't, there isn't any specified threat model anyway.

Well, yeah, in the sense that Mozilla people don't really think through what threat model they're protecting against here.

>What we're talking about is whether malicious extensions are something attackers want to use. Having to package an entire browser is a win - it's super noisy and means there's a huge binary to lug around.

The vast majority of that benefit comes from the default requirement for code to be signed, not from the barely measureable fraction of users that knowningly disable this protection and then get pwned.

Re: Switch from Chrome to Firefox

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Post by novok »

chris_wot wrote: post #482
k_bx wrote: post #362

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> and even Firefox if you have a retina display, this "even" is sort of a joke, because ff is so CPU-heavy (and often slow) that it's unusable for me https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1404042

I have a retina display and I'm using Firefox right now with 5 tabs open. Working fine for me!

I think if you have a 2 core 2015 13" macbook it's slow. If you have a 4 core 2015 15" macbook or better then you are fine with firefox.
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