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Re: Switch from Chrome to Firefox

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Post by michaelmrose »

r3bl wrote: post #621
kumarharsh wrote: post #527

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You know what's horrifying about the idea of "just fork Chrome"? Google can still hurt you by blocking your browser's access to their prime properties (YouTube, Gmail, Maps, etc). Just look at YouTube denying Chromium-based Edge the new redesigned experience for absolutely zero reason.

> Just look at YouTube denying Chromium-based Edge the new redesigned experience for absolutely zero reason. The reason is almost certainly a new user agent (compared to non-Chromium Edge) that YouTube didn't expect. Chromium-based Edge is still not stable, and therefore, not properly supported by YouTube. I don't have time to test this, but I'm willing to bet that you'd get the same result by using any indie browser…

Do you remember when almost all sites worked fine without internet explorer but refused to work without it unless you faked the user agent? Why are you defending round 2 of best with IE?

The web is a standard. Auto failing based on user agent is a sign of developer incompetence.

Re: Switch from Chrome to Firefox

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Post by mrb »

ummonk wrote: post #576
mrb wrote: post #505

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You don't "build" Widevine. Google distributes a binary (libwidevinecdm.so) which implements a standard API that works with both Chrome and Chromium. The "master" DRM secret key is obfuscated and distributed in libwidevinecdm.so itself.

And no pirate has been able to extract the key yet?

It was broken: https://twitter.com/David3141593/status/1080606827384131590 But now we are getting kinda off topic which is that Widevine DRM does work with Chromium.

Re: Switch from Chrome to Firefox

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Post by [deleted] »

MrRadar wrote: post #437
SilasX wrote: post #353

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No, there wasn't. No malware was being spread en masse this way. It was an entirely fictitious threat, as it would have required convincing the user to enter a confusing part of the app (about:config) and correctly change a setting. I can accept that there might have been a malware problem when signatures weren't the default requirement, but that's not the change I'm talking about, where they ignore a user's explicit…

I'm referring to native malware abusing admin privileges to install extensions without the user's consent, not users deliberately installing malware extensions themselves. This was particularly bad in the XP/Vista era (I know I had to remove some rogue extensions from my relative's computers during that time). If the signature check were a flag the malware would just disable it at the same time it installed the exten…

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Re: Switch from Chrome to Firefox

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Post by mwfunk »

JadeNB wrote: post #569
RussianCow wrote: post #478

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> The only service with DRM I'm aware of is Netflix and it's terrible anyway. Ha! Tell that to their 150 million subscribers. :) More seriously, using a browser without DRM would be a deal-breaker to many users like myself solely because of Netflix, unfortunately. That said, if you're serious about using a DRM-free browser, there are other ways to watch Netflix (iOS/Android, smart TVs, etc).

> > The only service with DRM I'm aware of is Netflix and it's terrible anyway. > Ha! Tell that to their 150 million subscribers. :) I'm not sure that a large number of subscribers is a convincing argument of the non-terribleness of a service. A quick Google search suggests that Comcast, excuse me, Xfinity, has somewhere in the neighbourhood of 30 million subscribers. I don't think that you will find any argument tel…

Sure but those 150 million people choose to subscribe to Netflix. Presumably they like it, otherwise why would they spend money on it every month? The people who use Comcast have no choice, because for nearly all of them, the alternative is no Internet access at home other than via cellular.

The original statement was like saying, "nobody goes there anymore, it's too crowded."

Re: Switch from Chrome to Firefox

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Post by chadwilken »

OldSchoolJohnny wrote: post #629
jwr wrote: post #161

I don't understand why Mac users use Chrome. Safari seems to be out of fashion: people just assume that it should not be used for some reason, even though it is actually a great browser. I use Safari for both my own browsing and for development (a fairly large ClojureScript application), and it is by far the best browser on the platform by all measures (speed first and foremost). The only place where Safari falls sho…

I dont' understand why any non casual users uses Mac for anything these days unless they feel like paying a stupid tax.

I use a Mac because they come with a bunch of tools that I need out of the box and are easy to use. The interface is nice and I am comfortable with it. On top of that, I have had the same MBP for 7 years. I have never been able to make a computer last 7 years before buying a MBP.

Re: Switch from Chrome to Firefox

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Post by dror »

It is so clear to me that we need to support and promote mozilla and Firefox. They're not perfect, but they, wikipedia, eff, archive.org (who else?) are such an important part of the Internet guardianship in the face of the monopolies, that it's our duty to support them. Doesn't hurt that Firefox is actually a great product.

Re: Switch from Chrome to Firefox

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Post by tomjen3 »

dgellow wrote: post #599
TheKarateKid wrote: post #596

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As a developer and power user, it's difficult for me to switch to Firefox. However for most average Joe's it's fine and won't make a difference, so I always install and recommend Firefox when I play IT guy for family/friends. Time to start doing this again like we did in 2005!! It worked then and it can now!

I’m a developer and power user, I switched to Firefox months ago. What is making difficult to switch? I found equivalent for all my plugins so far.

What is the equivalent for one tab? It is technically simple enough that I could develop one one my own, except I remember firefox extensions to be an unbelievable pain to install back in the day.

Re: Switch from Chrome to Firefox

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Post by vor0nwe »

r3bl wrote: post #621
kumarharsh wrote: post #527

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You know what's horrifying about the idea of "just fork Chrome"? Google can still hurt you by blocking your browser's access to their prime properties (YouTube, Gmail, Maps, etc). Just look at YouTube denying Chromium-based Edge the new redesigned experience for absolutely zero reason.

> Just look at YouTube denying Chromium-based Edge the new redesigned experience for absolutely zero reason. The reason is almost certainly a new user agent (compared to non-Chromium Edge) that YouTube didn't expect. Chromium-based Edge is still not stable, and therefore, not properly supported by YouTube. I don't have time to test this, but I'm willing to bet that you'd get the same result by using any indie browser…

Then why did it work before?

I'd been using YouTube's new layout just fine on Edge Chromium for at least a week before getting the "not supported" message.

Re: Switch from Chrome to Firefox

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Post by betaby »

jabedude wrote: post #618
betaby wrote: post #600

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HW accelerated video do work in Chrome/Chromium on Linux, while does not in Firefox, thus visibly loading the CPU and CPU fan on laptop. There is a visible tearing while quickly scrolling in Firefox, while no such problem with Chrome.

I'll have to try to reproduce this. I've never noticed it. Is it only with Netflix or when viewing any video?

Youtube, Coursera videos.

Re: Switch from Chrome to Firefox

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Post by saidajigumi »

hodder wrote: post #562
codedokode wrote: post #547

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This is already happening. Web version of Skype refuses to work in Firefox, but if you change user-agent to Edge, it works.

This is risky behaviour though when dealing with other megacorps. Legal ramifications and antitrust suits come out of actions like that.

It's like Google found developer goodwill burdensome, and decided to pack it all up into container trucks and ship it all to Microsoft.
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