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Re: Switch from Chrome to Firefox

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Post by jaredklewis »

TheKarateKid wrote: post #596
marricks wrote: post #15

Google will keep locking down Chrome and using corporate talk to hand wave it away, only recourse is to leave. First it’s “sign in” with obtuse ways to turn it off. Then block Adblocking, once again with obtuse ways to disable... the end goal is pretty obvious, get the majority of Chrome users to turn on ads and tie their real names to their Chrome browser. Of course let “power users” (who’ll turn that crap off anywa…

As a developer and power user, it's difficult for me to switch to Firefox. However for most average Joe's it's fine and won't make a difference, so I always install and recommend Firefox when I play IT guy for family/friends. Time to start doing this again like we did in 2005!! It worked then and it can now!

As a developer and—I think—power user, I use Firefox without issue.

What developer tools available in chrome but not firefox?

Re: Switch from Chrome to Firefox

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Post by mattferderer »

TheKarateKid wrote: post #596
marricks wrote: post #15

Google will keep locking down Chrome and using corporate talk to hand wave it away, only recourse is to leave. First it’s “sign in” with obtuse ways to turn it off. Then block Adblocking, once again with obtuse ways to disable... the end goal is pretty obvious, get the majority of Chrome users to turn on ads and tie their real names to their Chrome browser. Of course let “power users” (who’ll turn that crap off anywa…

As a developer and power user, it's difficult for me to switch to Firefox. However for most average Joe's it's fine and won't make a difference, so I always install and recommend Firefox when I play IT guy for family/friends. Time to start doing this again like we did in 2005!! It worked then and it can now!

I consider myself the same. I quit using Chrome & started using Brave about a year ago. I haven't looked back or missed Chrome. What would you be missing?

Edge & Firefox have also been useful in the same way I once used Opera (special tasks where their features really shine). I really liked Edge's reading mode & for just browsing websites it was great.

Re: Switch from Chrome to Firefox

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Post by bgentry »

I actually just gave this another try. First thing I did was see if WebAuthn/U2F support finally works well with Google services, which it now does!

Second thing I did was try to open a private window using the universal macOS shortcut of Cmd+Shift+N. Nothing happened, because Firefox decided to use Cmd+Shift+P unlike all other browsers. No problem, this is a macOS app, I’ll just change the keyboard shortcut in system preferences and I’ll be good to go. Except after doing that, Firefox doesn’t actually respect the remapped shortcut (an issue which has existed for 11 years).

And the baked in color management is not correct for a macOS app, and the right click menus are not Mac-like and don’t respect dark mode.

I thought it was time to make the switch, but the reality is that Firefox is still an even poorer macOS app than Chrome. Fix that and I’ll switch tomorrow, as I really want to ditch Chrome!

Re: Switch from Chrome to Firefox

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Post by qball »

kumarharsh wrote: post #527
marricks wrote: post #15

Google will keep locking down Chrome and using corporate talk to hand wave it away, only recourse is to leave. First it’s “sign in” with obtuse ways to turn it off. Then block Adblocking, once again with obtuse ways to disable... the end goal is pretty obvious, get the majority of Chrome users to turn on ads and tie their real names to their Chrome browser. Of course let “power users” (who’ll turn that crap off anywa…

You know what's horrifying about the idea of "just fork Chrome"? Google can still hurt you by blocking your browser's access to their prime properties (YouTube, Gmail, Maps, etc). Just look at YouTube denying Chromium-based Edge the new redesigned experience for absolutely zero reason.

Embrace, extend, extinguish.

Re: Switch from Chrome to Firefox

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Post by sailfast »

dgellow wrote: post #599
TheKarateKid wrote: post #596

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a developer and power user, it's difficult for me to switch to Firefox. However for most average Joe's it's fine and won't make a difference, so I always install and recommend Firefox when I play IT guy for family/friends. Time to start doing this again like we did in 2005!! It worked then and it can now!

I’m a developer and power user, I switched to Firefox months ago. What is making difficult to switch? I found equivalent for all my plugins so far.

Same here. I'd also highly recommend Firefox Focus for mobile. Now to convince my enterprise network admins...

It would probably take me a bit to figure out exactly how to work with the FireFox advanced debugging tools, but it's familiar territory.

Re: Switch from Chrome to Firefox

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Post by Kuraj »

ummonk wrote: post #576
mrb wrote: post #505

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't "build" Widevine. Google distributes a binary (libwidevinecdm.so) which implements a standard API that works with both Chrome and Chromium. The "master" DRM secret key is obfuscated and distributed in libwidevinecdm.so itself.

And no pirate has been able to extract the key yet?

What difference does that make? At that point you are no longer playing by the book.

Re: Switch from Chrome to Firefox

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Post by logicallee »

marricks wrote: post #15

Google will keep locking down Chrome and using corporate talk to hand wave it away, only recourse is to leave. First it’s “sign in” with obtuse ways to turn it off. Then block Adblocking, once again with obtuse ways to disable... the end goal is pretty obvious, get the majority of Chrome users to turn on ads and tie their real names to their Chrome browser. Of course let “power users” (who’ll turn that crap off anywa…

Luckily for us, there's antitrust law. This isn't really possible:

Reproduction steps:

1. Check that Google search is working by opening Chrome, navigating to www.google.com, and searching for any term (such as the name of a newspaper and clicking the link to verify that search works as expected.)

2. Open firefox.com and navigate to www.google.com

You will receive a message:

"It looks like you have Chrome installed! For the most secure experience, please visit this page using the Chrome browser or wait and try again later.."

If you have not used Chrome in the past 1 hour from your same IP address, you receive the page as expected.

The above repro steps should be pretty much impossible under antitrust law. (Due to search monopoly.) Which is a very good thing.

Re: Switch from Chrome to Firefox

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Post by Bonooru »

bgentry wrote: post #603

I actually just gave this another try. First thing I did was see if WebAuthn/U2F support finally works well with Google services, which it now does! Second thing I did was try to open a private window using the universal macOS shortcut of Cmd+Shift+N. Nothing happened, because Firefox decided to use Cmd+Shift+P unlike all other browsers. No problem, this is a macOS app, I’ll just change the keyboard shortcut in syste…

Cmd+Shift+N reopens the last closed window

Re: Switch from Chrome to Firefox

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Post by TylerE »

What's up with Firefox's font rendering?

It seems pretty bad.

Here is this HN thread in both for comparison (On Win10)

https://i.imgur.com/ZDVoWXI.png

Notice how the Firefox sample seems bolder, but with uneven letter weight and generally a higher line height. It's not good for readability. Kerning is a bit iffy also.

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