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Ctrl Shift Face: A growing ‘deepfakes’ YouTube channel

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Re: Ctrl Shift Face: A growing ‘deepfakes’ YouTube channel

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Post by cr0sh »

mises wrote: post #25
knowuh wrote: post #18

Someone has to put a deepfake Zuckerberg video up on Facebook where he forecasts a terrible financial quarter. Maybe that would have some influence about how seriously they take takedown requests.

To any one who reads this, don't actually do that. I wouldn't put it past Facebook to file a serious lawsuit against you. If it spread far enough, you could cause serious damage, and the SEC might even get involved.

If I were going to do this, and I thought it would cause such a storm, I'd take a raspi wardriving and find an open router somewhere, and then upload it via TOR to liveleak or imgur or something like that using an old netbook sourced from Craigslist. Then wipe the devices used and sell 'em back on Craigslist, or drop 'em off at Goodwill or some recycling company. Plausibly deniable and all that.

Re: Ctrl Shift Face: A growing ‘deepfakes’ YouTube channel

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Post by cwkoss »

neuronexmachina wrote: post #35
anbop wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Play deepfake on a TV, point signed camera at it.

I think the point of cryptographic signing wouldn't be verifying that it was recorded with a camera, but that it was recorded with a specific camera.

I wonder if future studio cameras will need water cooling lines to dissipate the crypto heat

Re: Ctrl Shift Face: A growing ‘deepfakes’ YouTube channel

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Post by munk-a »

deckar01 wrote: post #52
jdietrich wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sorry, but you're not thinking this through. Being able to prove that a video file is the unaltered output of a particular camera is in no way a useful protection against fake videos. Proving that file A is genuine tells us nothing about whether file B is fake. Let's say I want to create and circulate a fake sex tape featuring a senior politician. In a world where signed sensors are common but not mandatory, the…

You don't need to be able to prove the video is raw footage, you just need to be able to verify that a publisher you trust says they recorded it. An HMAC allows you to verify that a message (like a video file) was not modified after the author signed it.

I absolutely agree with this point but I think it's terrifying - rather than a reassurance. In modern society our "truth" is becoming partitioned into tribal groups with topics as extreme as the curvature of the earth and efficacy of vaccines being suddenly up for debate. If someone like Alex Jones were to publish a video where the Clintons discuss making the frogs gay then his audience - a decent portion of which trust him as a journalistic source - would be able to confirm that this highly edited video has been verified true by Alex Jones.

Audio and video were sort of aberrant in fact that they could still generally be accepted at face value (as compared to quotes and attributions) and we're very quickly losing that stability.

Re: Ctrl Shift Face: A growing ‘deepfakes’ YouTube channel

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Post by jerf »

BlueTemplar wrote: post #65
HeWhoLurksLate wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

See how it's much harder for anyone else to replace Facebook now, because they need more staff to start out with?

I don't follow ?

I believe it's a reference to a general effect of regulation, which is by making the business being regulated more expensive due to following regulations, it prevents smaller businesses from popping up to potentially displace the larger business.

For a generally positive example of this, see a good chunk of the history of Silicon Valley with smaller tech companies displacing larger companies like IBM, because there was no regulation stopping it. For an example generally less loved around here, consider Uber making a good pass at eating the entire Taxi industry by virtue of dodging regulations.

Re: Ctrl Shift Face: A growing ‘deepfakes’ YouTube channel

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Post by groby_b »

munk-a wrote: post #80
xienze wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And if they can’t determine that?

I think this is sort of where we realize that Oscar Wilde was actually the democratic candidate in the 2016 election - falsely attributed quotes have gotten out of hand and even relatively reputable sources have made this mistake... I suspect the same will be true of videos soon, your trust in the accuracy of the information will be solely tied to your trust in the organization - if you don't trust NYT you won't trus…

We've been there. It led to impartial professionals who, in person, report what they witnessed, and who made a career out of being truthful and exact.

The Bard is back again!

Re: Ctrl Shift Face: A growing ‘deepfakes’ YouTube channel

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Post by jerf »

gambler wrote: post #36

The scare over this is overblown. 1. If the image quality is good and if you pause the video, the artifacts are pretty obvious. 2. Making meme videos is not a problem. You have to think about serious scenarios and ask yourself whether they were impossible before. In a lot of cases they were possible before without using AI. People edited interviews and staged recorded events since forever.

Memesters are at the end of the tech hierarchy. They're using stuff that's cheap or free.

That doesn't mean everybody is.

Re: Ctrl Shift Face: A growing ‘deepfakes’ YouTube channel

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Post by theptip »

xienze wrote: post #76
jakear wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s where they use their fancy computer vision software to determine if the source has been tampered with.

And if they can’t determine that?

Yes, it's an arms race. Surely this is obviously the case?

"What if the government can't determine if a 100 dollar bill is fake?"

Answer to both questions: those who have a vested interest in detecting fakes spend more money on fake-detection mechanisms.

Re: Ctrl Shift Face: A growing ‘deepfakes’ YouTube channel

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Post by bitL »

taneq wrote: post #62
ice_nine wrote: post #20

Articles like these make me eager for advances made in the 'authenticity' market. I recently learned of a company called Truepic[0] that specializes in photo and video verification. From the New Yorker article I read: "Truepic, a startup in San Diego, aims at producing a new kind of photograph—a verifiable digital original. Photographs taken with its smartphone app are uploaded to its servers, where they enter a kind…

And so all of human society becomes one big GAN.

How do you know we aren't already... Good vs Evil, stories in holy books, generator and discriminator... We might be some funny project of some "grad student" somewhere, like what deepfakes is for us.
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