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Re: Switch from Chrome to Firefox

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Post by BlueTemplar »

soulofmischief wrote: post #157
dclowd9901 wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What the heck bugs are you running into that surface as a result of chrome being chrome? I’m no google fan but I find chrome to be far and away the most stable and enjoyable browser to debug with.

Don't get me wrong-- on the Firefox side of things, it's been the user experience of the browser itself which has been suffering. Every single update since Quantum has made things worse. Three days ago I opened up Firefox to find out all of my settings had been nuked, 200+ tabs, themes and extensions lost, about:config reset, search settings reset (hello again Google) etc. I'm still fuming mad about this. I don't fee…

Well, if you really care about the ongoing issue, shouldn't you rather go the "Chrom(e/ium) not supported, use Firefox" route ?

Re: Switch from Chrome to Firefox

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Post by bdamm »

behringer wrote: post #273
javagram wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I upvoted you (because your suggestion is a good solution) but let’s be real, most people don’t have backups, even developers. In my experience as a developer companies don’t even issue me a USB backup drive to run time machine on my work issued MacBook Pro unless I specifically request it.

And that's firefox' problem how exactly?

Because if firefox hadn't nuked the user's config we wouldn't be talking about how to recover that config. Any time the advice is "restore from backups" then the product has exhibited a poor user experience. And this isn't because of some hardware failure, this is just the software bungling an update flow, with no special notice to the user or any obvious way to recover.

Re: Switch from Chrome to Firefox

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Post by MrRadar »

SilasX wrote: post #189

Um, Firefox does the same sorts of thing. A) Want to use unsigned addons to play around, or tweak your existing ones[1]? Nope, even if you allow them in about:config, you can't; you have to use a special development version and update it separately. B) Want to customize your keyboard shortcuts? Sorry, that's not safe, you have to use a crippled API that won't take effect until a given page loads. C) Want to control y…

> A) Want to use unsigned addons to play around, or tweak your existing ones[1]? Nope, even if you allow them in about:config, you can't; you have to use a special development version and update it separately.

Signatures were mandated for add-ons because there was a plague of malware (or near-malware, such as third party anti-virus software) silently installing add-ons that broke Firefox in various ways. If the end-user could disable that requirement then the malware could do that too. The only way for Mozilla to address the issue was to hard-code the signature requirements. I don't think asking power-users to use Nightly/"unbranded" versions of Firefox to load unsigned extensions is something you should count against them.

Re: Switch from Chrome to Firefox

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Post by soulofmischief »

BlueTemplar wrote: post #331
soulofmischief wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't get me wrong-- on the Firefox side of things, it's been the user experience of the browser itself which has been suffering. Every single update since Quantum has made things worse. Three days ago I opened up Firefox to find out all of my settings had been nuked, 200+ tabs, themes and extensions lost, about:config reset, search settings reset (hello again Google) etc. I'm still fuming mad about this. I don't fee…

Well, if you really care about the ongoing issue, shouldn't you rather go the "Chrom(e/ium) not supported, use Firefox" route ?

That's cute, but I develop software in the real world and I am beholden to both market forces and my clients' wishes.

Re: Switch from Chrome to Firefox

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Post by majewsky »

bin0 wrote: post #71

Random, only slightly-related question: has any one used suckless' surf? I've seen it recommended by the hyper-minimalist nuts, but am more looking into it so I can tweak it easily. I figure it would be a lot easier than trying to slog through webkit, gecko, servo, blink, etc. as it is so much simpler.

> slog through webkit

Isn't surf based on WebKit?

Re: Switch from Chrome to Firefox

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Post by stephenr »

tlb wrote: post #258
javagram wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I upvoted you (because your suggestion is a good solution) but let’s be real, most people don’t have backups, even developers. In my experience as a developer companies don’t even issue me a USB backup drive to run time machine on my work issued MacBook Pro unless I specifically request it.

Please don't normalize that behavior. Not having regular backups is dumb, like not wearing seatbelts. On a Mac it's so easy -- just plug a drive in once a week or so and Time Machine does its thing. A 1 TB hard drive is cheap, far less than the value of a lost day.

Why once a week? Leave it plugged in, you get more granular recent backups, and don’t have to remember to plug it in.

Re: Switch from Chrome to Firefox

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Post by asdff »

holoduke wrote: post #186

It would be awesome to create somekind of quide on how to switch from the Google ecosystem to something different. Mail, browser, agenda, drive, photos etc. I would seriously pay 50 bucks per month to have something different without bullshit companies like Google behind it.

Not the most active sub but useful:

https://old.reddit.com/r/selfhosted/

Re: Switch from Chrome to Firefox

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Post by soulofmischief »

lousken wrote: post #259
soulofmischief wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't get me wrong-- on the Firefox side of things, it's been the user experience of the browser itself which has been suffering. Every single update since Quantum has made things worse. Three days ago I opened up Firefox to find out all of my settings had been nuked, 200+ tabs, themes and extensions lost, about:config reset, search settings reset (hello again Google) etc. I'm still fuming mad about this. I don't fee…

I also lost everything during an update and as for themes and extensions I do backup those from time to time since then. But losing tabs is a lot worse. At least there's a way to get them back though - e.g. on windows it's %APPDATA%\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\your_profile\sessionstore-backups. After you close FF you can copy over the .jsonlz4 backup to your_profile and replace the sessionstore.jsonlz4 file.

My profile disappeared, replaced wholesale. I use Tab Session Manager to automatically backup profiles and Mozilla figured out a way to delete those, too.

Re: Switch from Chrome to Firefox

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Post by pixelrevision »

ambicapter wrote: post #107
mattfrommars wrote: post #81

I like to switch from Chrome to Firefox but only thing keeping me with Chrome is its superior web development tool. One my the dev here recommends us to use Chrome because of its better Javascript debugger - something to do with the output in the web console takes you to the corresponding Javascript line & instance where it is invoked on the web page. I am not entirely sure what it is. Whatever it is, its not in Fire…

You're talking about source mapping I believe. I've only used it in Chrome but I've heard only Chrome has it as good as it has it. Honestly, it's a lifesaver if you're doing frontend stuff (and you're not one of those people who poo-poo's debuggers).

lol why on earth would someone poo poo a debugger?

Re: Switch from Chrome to Firefox

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Post by shados »

metafunctor wrote: post #324
shados wrote: post #231

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I legit can't even use the Safari tools even if I try. I have no idea how its supposed to work...the idea is not just terrible. It makes absolutely no sense and I have to google stuff to figure out how to use it every time I do.

People keep saying this, but I don't see how Safari dev tools are all that bad. My needs are quite simple, but by and large things appear to work in a way very similar to Chrome. What would be the main things you usually do with the dev tools where Chrome shines and Safari sucks? I'd like to understand what I'm missing by developing on Safari.

I have no idea if they're actually good or not when you figure out how to do it. But its getting to figure out where feature xyz is that drives me insane.
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