Gab will become a Mastodon fork • Hacker News Board

Re: Gab will become a Mastodon fork

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Post by davexunit » Thu, May 30, 2019, 2:23 PM UTC

Dirlewanger wrote: post #27

davexunit wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nice job equivocating nazis and the people that don't like nazis.

He did nothing of the sort. And his assessment is correct. Mastodon, and federated social networks, are the wrong direction for social media. I don't understand how more people don't see this; open-source or not, walled gardens only worsen polarization and demonization of the "other side".

I like my feed to not be flooded with racist/sexist replies. Mastodon has been a huge step in the right direction in this regard. "Free speech" doesn't mean "no moderation allowed".

Re: Gab will become a Mastodon fork

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, May 30, 2019, 2:23 PM UTC

vikingcaffiene wrote: post #13

I had heard about Gab but never visited the site before. I just spent 30 seconds perusing the trending feed. I saw the following: 1. a video of a man being shot and killed during an armed robbery 2. 3 anti islam posts 3. the usual pro trump propaganda 4. a meme warning about the evils of feminism urging women to get back to their "place" in the family. Gab is a festering pile of trash. Anyone responsible for making a…

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Re: Gab will become a Mastodon fork

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Post by iamshs » Thu, May 30, 2019, 2:24 PM UTC

vikingcaffiene wrote: post #13

I had heard about Gab but never visited the site before. I just spent 30 seconds perusing the trending feed. I saw the following: 1. a video of a man being shot and killed during an armed robbery 2. 3 anti islam posts 3. the usual pro trump propaganda 4. a meme warning about the evils of feminism urging women to get back to their "place" in the family. Gab is a festering pile of trash. Anyone responsible for making a…

Seems like Indian Twitter. Replace Trump with Modi. Indian Twitter uses Hindi language to escape notice and censorship. Worst posts fester there.

Re: Gab will become a Mastodon fork

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Post by nicky0 » Thu, May 30, 2019, 2:25 PM UTC

davexunit wrote: post #29

rmtech wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Gab is a festering pile of trash. That's your opinion. To some people, Gab is an alternative source of information that's independent of the narrative exerted by the mainstream media. > meme warning about the evils of feminism Do you want people to be kept in the dark about criticisms of feminism? What about feminism is so fragile or deceitful that criticism of it must be suppressed? In the end this is what free sp…

>alternative source of information nice rebrand of "hate speech"

The trouble with outlawing "hate speech" is: who gets to decide what is hate speech?

Re: Gab will become a Mastodon fork

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Post by ocdtrekkie » Thu, May 30, 2019, 2:26 PM UTC

kristianc wrote: post #24

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #18

Oh, the Mastodon community is going to be ticked about this... Purism said Librem One's server wasn't going to police speech, and they were upset about it. Gab is a whole different level. I think ActivityPub has huge potential to be a way for communities of disparate views and perspectives to exist out there, and two distinct and very opposing groups have grasped onto it: People who want space spaces who don't think…

> People who want space spaces who don't think mainstream platforms moderate enough, and the alt-right and free speech crowd. I've never really understood the 'safe spaces' line of argument. I'm a 30 year old white male, and whenever I log onto YouTube I see nothing but recommendations trying to force me down the alt-right rabbit hole. Sure, Twitter has booted off a few high profile people on the alt right but I don'…

I tried Diaspora a while ago, and found the lack of "the center" very unappealing in discussions, and see some of the same today on Mastodon: People who end up on these alternate networks tend to be people who were either banned from mainstream or bullied off of them, so they tend to be the very far ends of the political spectrum on both sides.

I remember when Wil Wheaton tried to join Mastodon, and some transgression he had against one gender identity or another led to him getting bullied off the network, despite him being... fairly bloody liberal. He just wasn't liberal enough for the crowd.

Re: Gab will become a Mastodon fork

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Post by nicky0 » Thu, May 30, 2019, 2:26 PM UTC

vikingcaffiene wrote: post #13

I had heard about Gab but never visited the site before. I just spent 30 seconds perusing the trending feed. I saw the following: 1. a video of a man being shot and killed during an armed robbery 2. 3 anti islam posts 3. the usual pro trump propaganda 4. a meme warning about the evils of feminism urging women to get back to their "place" in the family. Gab is a festering pile of trash. Anyone responsible for making a…

Fortunately there are more heavily moderated alternatives available to you.

Re: Gab will become a Mastodon fork

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Post by village-idiot » Thu, May 30, 2019, 2:26 PM UTC

kristianc wrote: post #24

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #18

Oh, the Mastodon community is going to be ticked about this... Purism said Librem One's server wasn't going to police speech, and they were upset about it. Gab is a whole different level. I think ActivityPub has huge potential to be a way for communities of disparate views and perspectives to exist out there, and two distinct and very opposing groups have grasped onto it: People who want space spaces who don't think…

> People who want space spaces who don't think mainstream platforms moderate enough, and the alt-right and free speech crowd. I've never really understood the 'safe spaces' line of argument. I'm a 30 year old white male, and whenever I log onto YouTube I see nothing but recommendations trying to force me down the alt-right rabbit hole. Sure, Twitter has booted off a few high profile people on the alt right but I don'…

> I've never really understood the 'safe spaces' line of argument.

Because it's a disingenuous argument, and it's always been about:

1. Making one side feel like the victim, which maintains coherence

2. Playing the refs

Re: Gab will become a Mastodon fork

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Post by DominoTree » Thu, May 30, 2019, 2:27 PM UTC

vikingcaffiene wrote: post #13

I had heard about Gab but never visited the site before. I just spent 30 seconds perusing the trending feed. I saw the following: 1. a video of a man being shot and killed during an armed robbery 2. 3 anti islam posts 3. the usual pro trump propaganda 4. a meme warning about the evils of feminism urging women to get back to their "place" in the family. Gab is a festering pile of trash. Anyone responsible for making a…

The moment I clicked on this link, without even browsing, I was greeted with a recommendation to follow an account with a racial slur in the name. No thanks.

Re: Gab will become a Mastodon fork

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Post by wpietri » Thu, May 30, 2019, 2:27 PM UTC

saagarjha wrote: post #28

vikingcaffiene wrote: post #13

I had heard about Gab but never visited the site before. I just spent 30 seconds perusing the trending feed. I saw the following: 1. a video of a man being shot and killed during an armed robbery 2. 3 anti islam posts 3. the usual pro trump propaganda 4. a meme warning about the evils of feminism urging women to get back to their "place" in the family. Gab is a festering pile of trash. Anyone responsible for making a…

I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it.

The right to say something is different than people giving material support to it. E.g., I will defend your legal right stand on the corner with a pro-holocaust placard. But anybody printing those placards or otherwise helping you is an asshole. I will happily tell them so, and I will refuse to do business with them. That's me exercising my rights of freedom of speech and freedom of association.

Freedom of speech isn't freedom from criticism. And it's also not freedom from any other lawful reaction. Anybody helping with Gab richly deserves criticism and shunning in the technical community.

Re: Gab will become a Mastodon fork

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Post by DanBC » Thu, May 30, 2019, 2:27 PM UTC

dcolkitt wrote: post #33

coldpie wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Deciding what content is allowed on your private platform is not censorship. The platform owner is exercising their own form of speech.

Incorrect. > Censorship is the suppression of speech, public communication, or other information, on the basis that such material is considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, or "inconvenient".[2][3][4] Censorship can be conducted by a government[5], private institutions, and corporations. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship

Why aren't you quoting a real dictionary?