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U.S. Warns Of Spy Dangers Of Chinese-Made Drones

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jacobwilliamroy wrote: post #144

I remember having a conversation with my U.S. Army archaeologist friend about using drones for remote sensing in restricted areas and he showed me the DJI drone that's been sitting on their shelf for months because the folks upstairs said they can't fly chinese anything in restricted areas. Apparently the army does have drones that are sufficiently american to be flown in restricted areas but my friend doesn't know w…

This[1] suggests "Parrot, Skydio, Altavian, Teal Drones, Vantage Robotics, and Lumenier" might be companies to check.

[1] https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2019/05/28/185110...

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Theodores wrote: post #142
Aromasin wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lack of foresight is a collective trait of the human condition. It'd be interesting to see who the protestors of said outsourcing in the 80s were, and see what they say now. How did they foresee it in the first place? Is the current outcome better or worse than they thought it'd be? What's their current prediction for the state of things in another 40 years? A good article topic for the journalists out there.

Lots of people saw it. It was obvious if your job was being outsourced or if your factory was being closed, quite apparent if no new machinery was being invested in. At the time Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher were around and all of this was discussed. The predicted decline happened. There are capitalist rent seeker types that are okay with it, they also voted for the lunatic politicians. The people not so happy…

One concept that always struck me as bizarre, was "we'll move the manufacturing overseas, but the manufacturing engineering will remain in the US". Years later, I asked a Harvard economics professor about it. He said yes, he'd taught that... "the ideas were in the air" (paraphrase - it's been years).

So one problem I have with much analysis of Trump populism, is its failure to recognize that subcultures doing group-think, believe absurdities, and tolerating being lied to, are a broader problem, worthy of more fundamental analysis, and an opportunity for broader remediation.

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Post by ptx »

adventured wrote: post #104
mg794613 wrote: post #68

"We're not being paranoid" No, but the amount of suggestive "Might" "Could" etc titles/articles now out there shows a whole other picture. China is now the new enemy. And everybody must know apparently. Even respectable news outlets can't resist the temptation of completely unfounded copying of the American media machine. I'm not stating China is so innocent, but sorry there is only one country in the world systemati…

> there is only one country in the world systematically spying, bombing and manipulating friend AND enemies alike Your premise is clearly wrong. NATO bombed Libya. Every member of NATO is guilty. There are 29 nations in NATO. Here they are: Belgium, Canada, Denmark, France, Iceland, Italy, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, the United Kingdom the United States, Greece, Turkey, Germany, Spain, Czech, Hunga…

> Kosovo; the US rapidly stopped a genocide ...

The bombing part may have been rapid – especially when they bombed a civilian train[1] and misleadingly sped up the video of the event – but dealing with the aftermath[2] doesn't seem to be going as rapidly:

"A decade on from the Nato bombing campaign, more than 90,000 Serbs are still in danger from unexploded cluster munitions, according to a recent report funded by the Norwegian foreign ministry.

...

"At the current pace, it is estimated that it will take another 20 years to get rid of unexploded ordnance from Serbia."

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grdelica_train_bombing

[2] http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7960116.stm

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Post by taneq »

adventured wrote: post #100
taneq wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Teslas send loads of stuff back to Tesla servers which I'd assume are in the U.S. It's not an unusual thing to do in this cloud-happy day and age.

It's not a debate over whether the US hoovers up information. Most of this US vs China debate centers on one thing: which side do you want to give your information to. That is what is being argued over; that dispute is going to get worse for a while yet as China pushes outward globally in its tech ambitions. The better alternative: I don't want anyone to have my information - unfortunately is largely not going to be…

The issue is that everyone's burned out by ridiculously long overly-broad EULAs written in impenetrable legalese. The general sentiment even, here on HN where people should know better, is "sure, they SAY they can do those things but (it's just boilerplate | they wouldn't really ever do that stuff | they really just meant this much more benign thing | they need that access to provide the product | it helps them debug problems)". And then people act all shocked when, once again, a company does precisely what it told you it was going to do.

A classic example is the "we collect your data to provide X service" / "you can disable service X" that we see all over the place. Everyone reads it as "you can disable data collection" but that's not what it says, and it's not what really happens.

The better alternative is to not accept this kind of invasiveness but the ease and convenience of giving in is too seductive for most people, so we invent a comfort belief that it's somehow benign or at worst irrelevant.

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Post by jacobwilliamroy »

mncharity wrote: post #161
jacobwilliamroy wrote: post #144

I remember having a conversation with my U.S. Army archaeologist friend about using drones for remote sensing in restricted areas and he showed me the DJI drone that's been sitting on their shelf for months because the folks upstairs said they can't fly chinese anything in restricted areas. Apparently the army does have drones that are sufficiently american to be flown in restricted areas but my friend doesn't know w…

This[1] suggests "Parrot, Skydio, Altavian, Teal Drones, Vantage Robotics, and Lumenier" might be companies to check. [1] https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2019/05/28/185110...

Thanks for the tip. I'll look into these companies and run my findings by my government friends.
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