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The Art of Thinking Long-Term Even When Money Is Running Out

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Re: The Art of Thinking Long-Term Even When Money Is Running Out

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Main issue is not for the company, but the candidate. If he is a senior developer currently working elsewhere and you are trying to convince him to join, a 3 month temporary offer is a hard sell.

Could ask for a three month leave from current job. To travel the world or what not.

Doesn't mean you can go and work for potentially a competitor

Re: The Art of Thinking Long-Term Even When Money Is Running Out

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There's a stigma that offering a candidate a 3-month temporary offer (or any such short time length) will make them not want to accept. However, I've had success is using temporary employment as a great way to figure out if the candidates would work out or not.

Main issue is not for the company, but the candidate. If he is a senior developer currently working elsewhere and you are trying to convince him to join, a 3 month temporary offer is a hard sell.

Yes. Quiet difficult to accept this offer as nobody will get agree to this short term offer.

Re: The Art of Thinking Long-Term Even When Money Is Running Out

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There's a stigma that offering a candidate a 3-month temporary offer (or any such short time length) will make them not want to accept. However, I've had success is using temporary employment as a great way to figure out if the candidates would work out or not.

I don't know that a 3-month temporary offer is really necessary. In California at least, where employment is "at-will", you can fire an employee at any time for almost any reason. My expectation when accepting a job offer is that if I am not successful in my role, I will be fired. Most jobs I have worked even have an official "probation period" for new employees where you have a set of goals you need to accomplish in…

> I don't know that a 3-month temporary offer is really necessary. In California at least, where employment is "at-will",

Yeah, in an at-will state you might as well consider the "trial" period to be in place no matter what. If things don't work out well they'll just toss your ass to the curb. Maybe if you're lucky like me your boss will have a soul and give you some amount of severance at least.

Re: The Art of Thinking Long-Term Even When Money Is Running Out

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FWIW the "marshmallow experiment" failed when it was reproduced with more participants from wider backgrounds. Probably not something you want to hook your ideas onto. https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2018/06/marshmall...

TL;DR here's the most important paragraph:

>Ultimately, the new study finds limited support for the idea that being able to delay gratification leads to better outcomes. Instead, it suggests that the capacity to hold out for a second marshmallow is shaped in large part by a child’s social and economic background—and, in turn, that that background, not the ability to delay gratification, is what’s behind kids’ long-term success.

Re: The Art of Thinking Long-Term Even When Money Is Running Out

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FWIW the "marshmallow experiment" failed when it was reproduced with more participants from wider backgrounds. Probably not something you want to hook your ideas onto. https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2018/06/marshmall...

No, the way you state is is simply wrong.

The study you link to confirms the correlation between the ability to delay gratification in the marshallow test and later success in life. However, it also says that when taking other factors in to account, in particular the wealth of the parents, the marshallow test does not add a significant amount of information any more.

So all we know now is that we have a number of variables that correlate:

- succeeding at the marshmallow test

- having wealthy parents

- be successful in life

Which one of these causes what is open for interpretation. For example, growing up in a stable and reliable environment (which more affluent parents can easier provide) might help to develop long-term thinking, which helps both at the marshmallow test and generally in life.

In any case, the study confirmed that if you don't know anything else about a person, the marshmallow test provides significant information about the probable success later in the life of that person.

Re: The Art of Thinking Long-Term Even When Money Is Running Out

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Yeah, not a chance I'd leave my current job for that kind of instability.

Pretty sure no one would. You'll only manage to get unemployed people. Who will bail if they get a full time offer during that three months.

I would. Why? Because I'm confident that they won't want to get rid of me at the end of that 3 month period. Hiring is expensive, and unless I mess up badly, there's no incentive for them to fire me. If they wanted someone temporary, why would they not just advertise for a contractor?

Re: The Art of Thinking Long-Term Even When Money Is Running Out

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Could ask for a three month leave from current job. To travel the world or what not.

Even in EU it's a tough sell. Your current employer has to agree to it. Why should they, since you're leaving? It only complicates counting employees.

Better to have an employee that knows the grass is not greener on the other side, thus he/she has been there. A good employer will let you take a leave, its even a right in some EU states.
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