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Google to restrict modern ad blocking Chrome extensions to enterprise users

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Re: Google to restrict modern ad blocking Chrome extensions to enterprise users

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Post by pitterpatter »

JMTQp8lwXL wrote: post #284
redwards510 wrote: post #14

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Don't forget there is a Firefox Developer version that includes additional devtools. https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/developer/

Devtools are baked into standard chrome. I find it odd I'd have to download a special version of Firefox made for developers.

Devtools are also in standard firefox. The developer edition just includes new features that haven't yet made it to the current release. The chrome analog is Chrome Dev (https://www.google.com/chrome/dev/)

Firefox: Nightly -> Developer -> Beta -> Stable -> Extended Support Release

Chrome: Canary -> Dev -> Beta -> Stable

Re: Google to restrict modern ad blocking Chrome extensions to enterprise users

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

RealityVoid wrote: post #492
danShumway wrote: post #485

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I'm still working out the details, but when I get to the point where I'm selling software on my site, I plan to offer small discounts (maybe a dollar) to anyone I detect on a Firefox browser. I'm considering doing the same thing for Ad Blockers. I know I can't convince normal people to care about the web ecosystem, and yelling at users about behavior is just another way to annoy them. I like the idea of having a smal…

> I like the idea of having a small (likely secret) list of browser behaviors that reward users, rather than punishing them. It makes it feel more like a game or a cheat code or easter egg to me than a heavy handed lecture. While that is nice, you run the risk of nobody noticing. For some strange reason, I wanted to comment to your post and you didn't have a reply button initially. I had to refresh and then is showed…

When the reply button is hidden - to reduce arguments and "over-posting" - you can click the date to go to a page only showing that comment, that page always has a reply option.

Re: Google to restrict modern ad blocking Chrome extensions to enterprise users

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Post by roca »

tomjen3 wrote: post #616
roca wrote: post #474

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What you, as Web developers, can do, is use Firefox while developing your site to ensure it really works well on non-Chromium browsers. And do your level best to encourage your developer friends to do the same. If they're on Mac and would rather use Safari, that'll do too. Then, every time you see any site or any Web developer satisfied with "works in Chrome", do what you can to let them know that's not acceptable. I…

A decent idea of course, but you are going to run in to the same issue as everybody else who tries that: unless Firefox has a significant market share, it is just not worth throwing resources after it. What you can do is develop automatic filters to make chrome specific CSS prefixes general, etc. Those are probably worth using since a few hours/days of engineering time easily is worth the larger market share.

Firefox already implements a bunch of -webkit prefixed features for compatibility reasons. Are there specific Chrome-only features that aren't yet supported that you think should be? If so, file Firefox bugs!

Re: Google to restrict modern ad blocking Chrome extensions to enterprise users

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Post by evrenesat »

sergiotapia wrote: post #418
latortuga wrote: post #376

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This has got to be some bullshit shilling. I use all those sites all day every damn day with no problem in Firefox whatsoever.

No shilling. Verified slow as balls on imac 2017, macbook air, macbook pro 2017 and macbook pro latest. Using ff developer edition.

It may be related with your screen resolution, I agree that Firefox has serious performance issues on Macs due this bug: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1404042 [Poor battery life on OSX with scaled resolution]

Re: Google to restrict modern ad blocking Chrome extensions to enterprise users

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Post by Jaruzel »

rando444 wrote: post #604
Jaruzel wrote: post #543

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Key point (for Windows) on that page is: ADM/ADMX templates with 300+ user and device policies ADM/ADMXs are a list of settable policies (rules) that Chrome will read from the Windows Registry on startup[1]. I'm going to make a huge assumption that the Chrome.exe for Enterprise users is no different to the Chrome.exe that everyone else uses, and it switches into 'Enterprise' mode if it sees certain key policy entries…

These are just features and settings, there's no requirement to use them. The main point isn't listed on the page. The Enterprise installer installs Chrome to the operating system. Regular chrome installs in your user profile.

> These are just features and settings, there's no requirement to use them.

I think you missed my point. Google say that the Enterprise version will continue to support WebRequest API. If the Enterprise version is the same codebase as the normal version, then it's a good educated guess that the Policy keys are whats controlling that.

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

threeseed wrote: post #120
user17843 wrote: post #109

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The problem is the only way to combat Google in this regards would be for smaller players to come together and form an open-source working group based on a chromium fork. (The train has already left the station for anything besides WebKit or Blink, since the lack of accessibility of Gecko means it will never be adopted by anyone else.) But most of them are directly financed by Google and have almost no common ground…

Apple is behind WebKit and has a lot to gain by going against Google. They are competitors in the hardware space and Apple needs an 'enemy' to help target its pro-privacy agenda against.

Genuine question, will Apple leave all the tracking/advertising money on the table in order to best Google on privacy? Or, once they win enough market-share will they just sell out?

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Post by k_bx »

ravenstine wrote: post #269

Slightly off topic, I'm finding it very disingenuous that people in this thread(and any other threads that come up about Firefox) have actually had significant performance issues with Firefox. No bugs that are noteworthy, sans that fiasco with the expired certificate that disabled addons briefly. I've been using Firefox since "quantum" on both my MacBooks(one of which is old AF) and on Linux. I've yet to have problem…

Facebook is a step by step strategy on MacBook Pro, starting from Servo launch. Here's a ticket https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1404042

I'd love to get back to FF, but I have no idea how could that release with current state of things be allowed. Does your MacBook have Retina display?

Re: Google to restrict modern ad blocking Chrome extensions to enterprise users

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Post by arrivance »

drilldrive wrote: post #461
ravenstine wrote: post #269

Slightly off topic, I'm finding it very disingenuous that people in this thread(and any other threads that come up about Firefox) have actually had significant performance issues with Firefox. No bugs that are noteworthy, sans that fiasco with the expired certificate that disabled addons briefly. I've been using Firefox since "quantum" on both my MacBooks(one of which is old AF) and on Linux. I've yet to have problem…

I currently use Firefox, and recently (likely owing to multi-processing) Firefox eats up 2G of RAM for me[0]. I have ~700 tabs open so that may be a factor as well. Other than this the browser works great for me, and I have always used Firefox as my main browser. [0] https://i.imgur.com/O8vvwUC.png

Did you say ~700? Shit, I have way higher memory usage and I'm only 15 tabs open (not that I complain - the overall RAM impact for me is nothing).
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