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Ask HN: Why is the US the center of the tech industry?

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Re: Ask HN: Why is the US the center of the tech industry?

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My 2¢ in taking to people from other countries, it's the American attitude. Americans for better or worse think we can do anything, and they will try incessantly. They will start a business with far less experience and qualifications than others, pull themselves up by the bootstraps and potentially fail spectacularly - just to get right back up and do it again. I do not get this sense taking to people from other coun…

I think there’s a financial angle to this too, America’s system encouraged entrepreneurship a lot more than other countries. Niall Ferguson put it best when he said:

> The ability to walk away from unsustainable debts and start all over again is one of the distinctive quirks of American capitalism. Since 1898, it has been every American’s right to file for Chapter VII (liquidation) or XIII (voluntary personal reorganization). Rich and poor alike, people in the United States appear to regard bankruptcy as an ‘unalienable right’ almost on a par with ‘life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness’. Ascent of money, p61

Giving people a second chance created a better environment for risk takers, using trial and error until they perfect their business model.

Re: Ask HN: Why is the US the center of the tech industry?

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There are several things that contributed to the rise of the dominance of American tech industry. In no particular order: * World War II. In WWII, the only country that had the means to meaningfully fund longer-term military research projects was the US; in other countries such as Germany and the UK, these projects were defunded or reduced in scope to let the money and resources be allocated to things that would help…

> World War II. In WWII, the only country that had the means to meaningfully fund longer-term military research projects was the US

This is true not only for tech but also for everything else. Being poor in the USA was better than to be middle class anywhere else. Also, European scientists left to the USA.

> The development of a strong education and research system.

Yes. Education is the base for the knowledge economy.

> Market size.

Sweden is a good example of a country in a similar situation to the one in the USA. But, it is very small. Sweden has been very successful in IT but its impact is very small.

I completely agree with you.

Re: Ask HN: Why is the US the center of the tech industry?

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The same reason it's the current largest economy.... a happy accident of history and geography. Every other major economic power was devastated after WW2. Because the US was geographically isolated from the major theatres of war, it was in a good position to capitalise on the investment in technology at the dawn of the transistor age.

I've heard this argument many times but it never rang true to me. Here is why: Every nation has gone true adversity and many had bounced off in a matter of years. The US economy has been dominating (measured by % of world GDP) since long before WW2. Ref: https://infogram.com/share-of-world-gdp-throughout-history-1... Also worth noting is that the US has faced its own headwinds including a civil war just a few decades…

Civil war was eighty years earlier and didn’t result in complete destruction due to lack of technology.

In other threads mention the British tech giveaway, German scientists, and booming infrastructure compared to Europe and Asia in ruins. The can-do attitude was a multiplier.

WWII was a hundred year boost.

Re: Ask HN: Why is the US the center of the tech industry?

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One word: baseball. Love of the sport is what makes Americans different from other nations. One man facing the opposing team. With one swing of the bat you can win it all, overcoming limits imposed by the playing field itself. Making technological innovations is very much like that.

Re: Ask HN: Why is the US the center of the tech industry?

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First of all, the technology industry itself is not just exclusive to the US. Samsung is south Korean, Nintendo is from Japan, Siemens is from Germany, ASML is from the Netherlands. All of these are highly technological companies, with Nintendo having been at the frontiers of technology since decades. But of course, Silicon Valley is unique with its high concentration of hightech companies. This has multiple reasons:…

I want to make what I hope is not an offensive inquiry. As a native (American) English speaker, both of your uses of the word "since" look wrong to me. In my reading, the first one should be "for" and the second should be "until". This is not the first time I've come across jarring uses of "since" online. What I'm wondering is: What is your background? Are you also a native English speaker from a different region? If…

I'm no native speaker. I've learned something new today, thank you!

Re: Ask HN: Why is the US the center of the tech industry?

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I think another big part of it is down to the lack of regulation.

Other countries with similar socioeconomic conditions tend to regulate things quicker plus have social programmes (healthcare, workers rights etc)

The US does neither.

I think this makes it easier to start in the first place.

The other part, as others have pointed out, is the extreme development the US achieved on the back of WWII that provided capital which has snowballed since.

Re: Ask HN: Why is the US the center of the tech industry?

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US companies give much higher pay than Europe and China. A beyond-average elementary programmer gets $40K/yr in China with 9-9-6 life. But the same person in the United States may get $120K or even more with a 9-6-5 life. So many Chinese programmers are moving to the US for higher pay.

* I dont hear anything elsewhere, China being the only exception. And they're feared, to the point where Huawei's banned. Not every Chinese developer could get out of China to get higher pay because of tight competition, family, and traditions. It should be mentioned that: 1. US companies in China (like Google, Microsoft, etc.) do not give higher pay than Chinese companies (like BAT, Toutiao, Pinduoduo). 2. Apartment…

Comparing pay directly like that is not very fair.

Many other things need to be taken into account including cost of living and services.

Re: Ask HN: Why is the US the center of the tech industry?

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The reasons are manifold.

Some are nicely summarized (factors leading up to the current Political/Military/Economic domination) in a two-part Stratfor article;

1) The Geopolitics of the United States, Part 1: The Inevitable Empire - https://worldview.stratfor.com/article/geopolitics-united-st...

2) The Geopolitics of the United States, Part 2: American Identity and the Threats of tomorrow. - https://worldview.stratfor.com/article/geopolitics-united-st...

The way i look at it is (in no particular order);

Luck - WW2 decimated almost all developed countries. The US "home" was untouched (no war on their soil) thus leaving them as the sole industrial/military powerhouse with resources intact. This is actually a huge factor and the current state follows directly from here. They also appropriated a lot of Scientists/Technologies from the losers which gave them the needed headstart in many tech areas.

People psyche - The country was founded by immigrants who basically had to do whatever to "survive". Since they had no history in the new land, they were not bogged down by crystallized cultural norms and beliefs. Thus the focus on "Capitalism"(euphemism for Greed and "do whatever it takes to win") and "Hustle" (not always driven by Ethics/Morals contrary to what their leaders may claim). This setup their current culture where their desire is to be THE global hegemon by any means necessary. If you think about it, this is a great motivator for just about anything.

Geography - Covered well in the above articles. This allowed them to develop independently of detrimental external influences.

Control of World Economy - By forcing everybody to use $ as the world's currency. The ramifications of this is all-encompassing.

Military/Education/Industrial Complex - This is a crucial nexus which is directly responsible for much of their dominance in the technology domain. The Military funds "Blue Sky" projects in close association with Academia and the Industry. Because of this close-knit setup, the path from Ideation to Realized Implementation is very fast and seamless. No other country does this as well. Because of the "Power Law", progress in Technology is accelerated leading to being the natural front-runner.

Finally, it should be clear that "Military Dominance" is used to enforce "Economic Dominance" and vice-versa.

Re: Ask HN: Why is the US the center of the tech industry?

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post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I want to make what I hope is not an offensive inquiry. As a native (American) English speaker, both of your uses of the word "since" look wrong to me. In my reading, the first one should be "for" and the second should be "until". This is not the first time I've come across jarring uses of "since" online. What I'm wondering is: What is your background? Are you also a native English speaker from a different region? If…

I'm no native speaker. I've learned something new today, thank you!

As a native speaker parent is correct. "since decades" can be made grammatical by adding "ago" - "since decades ago" - but imo it'd sound more natural to say "for decades"
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